What I hate most about Christmas

[apathy]

Well not just this hijacked former Pagan holiday, but religious holidays in general, is this attitude in general from other people and coworkers:

You are allowed to be penniless for Christmas
You are allowed to be cold for Christmas
You are allowed to be heartbroken for Christmas
You are allowed to be friendless for Christmas
You are allowed to be divorced for Christmas
You are allowed to be homeless for Christmas
You are allowed to be bereaved for Christmas

But God forbid you hate Christmas. If you hate it, you are evil, you are Scrooge, you are the devil, you leave negative reviews for bad games on Steam.

You are not allowed to hate, even when you have good reasons to hate

I say a society that laughs with you, and leaves you to cry all alone, is a doomed vile society unworthy to exist that has set itself deliberately on a downward spiral, and expects you to cheer it onto its destruction as a willing participant. To hell with that excuse of a society and its egocentric populous.

If I want to be unhappy because the s**t in my life and the s**t of everyone else's lives, vastly outweighs the bad, then let me.

[Fake]

I hate how old Christmas songs are being ruined by new singers that can't carry a tune.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Merry Christmas!

[Nuheni]

Originally posted by primeinsurrection:

One who is 'pagan' could argue that it takes a horrible person to counterfeit the sacred festivals of seasons while they know they are doing it.

They could.
One could also argue that the church is ultimately responsible for the misery of so many, broken up families, skyrocketing suicide rates and everything else that goes along with the kind of "forced festivities" we now call Christmas, since they are the main force in creating it to spread their religion by using other known historical events and mixing them in as an ease of transition, the commercial forces just joined in when they realised they could make a buck of it, but i somehow doubt it will be a court case anytime soon.

[primeinsurrection]

Originally posted by Nuheni:

Originally posted by primeinsurrection:

One who is 'pagan' could argue that it takes a horrible person to counterfeit the sacred festivals of seasons while they know they are doing it.

They could.
One could also argue that the church is ultimately responsible for the misery of so many, broken up families, skyrocketing suicide rates and everything else that goes along with the kind of "forced festivities" we now call Christmas, since they are the main force in creating it to spread their religion by using other known historical events and mixing them in as an ease of transition, the commercial forces just joined in when they realised they could make a buck of it, but i somehow doubt it will be a court case anytime soon.

And if one is 'Christian' they should be arguing not to replace a day to celebrate Christ with a fat man in pajamas that sneaks in kids rooms to steal their cookies and leaves toys made by elven slaves, basically a Bavarian Willy Wonka.

[DOOMGIRL69]

its the music and adverts for me, everything else is pretty enjoyable

[Electric Cupcake]

Originally posted by primeinsurrection:

Originally posted by Nuheni:

They could.
One could also argue that the church is ultimately responsible for the misery of so many, broken up families, skyrocketing suicide rates and everything else that goes along with the kind of "forced festivities" we now call Christmas, since they are the main force in creating it to spread their religion by using other known historical events and mixing them in as an ease of transition, the commercial forces just joined in when they realised they could make a buck of it, but i somehow doubt it will be a court case anytime soon.

And if one is 'Christian' they should be arguing not to replace a day to celebrate Christ with a fat man in pajamas that sneaks in kids rooms to steal their cookies and leaves toys made by elven slaves, basically a Bavarian Willy Wonka.

Saint Nikolas was from Southern Turkey.

[Refurbished Cream Cheese]

It's mostly become a $$$money$$$$ thing for businesses..

It's all about making money

[Rio]

Christmas is a day where people celebrate how special they are, or how special other people are.

But theres nothing special about people.

[primeinsurrection]

Originally posted by Electric Cupcake:

Originally posted by primeinsurrection:

And if one is 'Christian' they should be arguing not to replace a day to celebrate Christ with a fat man in pajamas that sneaks in kids rooms to steal their cookies and leaves toys made by elven slaves, basically a Bavarian Willy Wonka.

Saint Nikolas was from Southern Turkey.

Its mixed up really. Some of it is saint Nik, other older versions is basically Thor and the reindeer were goats, theres also a Greek sea god in there. Turkey didnt exist back then not til around 1300. I think Saint Nik was just another Vatican propaganda to replace Yule.

[apathy]

I think the root cause is people expect you to celebrate, even when you don't want to, and punish you if you don't.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/12/02/tiny-canadian-town-emo-fined-not-flying-pride-flag/

A town fined for refusing to celebrate Pride month or hang a rainbow flag?

Doesn't that go against the spirit of celebration? Or is that how humans interpret celebration? YOU WILL BE HAPPY. YOU WILL OBEY.

Originally posted by xDDD:

Nobody cares if you hate Christmas, they care if you whine and moan about Christmas.

That's just it though, my coworkers, horrible neighbors, and surviving family, expect me to love it. That's the problem. Religious intolerance... or basic selfish human nature.

Originally posted by ᵑᵒᶡɧіռɠ:

There are better things to hate than christmas

Its a small part of a bigger problem. Of refusing to celebrate. If celebration is mandatory, and punishments from excommunication/shunned, threats, to fines are dished out, then its a regime, not a cause for festivity or merrymaking.

Originally posted by C4Warr10r:

Have you tried going to a church for Christmas?

Yeah years and years ago. But the church only cared for, and rolled out the red carpet for, the managers of supermarkets celebrating their big profits. They only care about money. And I don't call tone deaf people trying to sing, and bouncing up and down on their knees, to the tune of the howling wind and rain outside, an engaging "spiritual" experience.

You're an atheist, right? Or at least anti-Christian?

Both. I'm an atheist but also anti-religion. As a child, I used to love the holiday, didn't even care when my father was beaten up by a psychopath undeserving of life, and we spent Christmas in a hospital, then a police station. I used to feel happy... I thought I was happy... until materialistic anti social people spoiled it for me, year after year, until I finally snapped and stopped celebrating. This was a couple of years before I deconverted.

The reason why people don't conform to your expectations is far uglier than you dare or care to know.

[Disgruntled Cuttlefish]

X-mas, the holiday season, the only time of the year that many folks tolerate homeless people.

[Professor]

Reference - Encyclopedia Britannica

An ancient Roman pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice as a symbol of the resurgence of the sun, the casting away of winter & the heralding of the rebirth of spring & summer. Christian writers frequently made the connection between the rebirth of the sun and the birth of the Son.

One of the difficulties with this view is that it suggests a nonchalant willingness on the part of the Christian church to appropriate a pagan festival when the early church was so intent on distinguishing itself categorically different from pagan beliefs & practices.

A second view suggests that December 25 became the date of Jesus birth by priory reasoning that identified the spring equinox as the date of the creation of the world & the fourth day of creation, when the light was created, as the day of Jesus’ conception.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christmas

[Punished Rusty Shackleford]

I could hear the fedora being tipped from just reading the title of this thread.