Game pirates ♥♥♥♥

[Tabun Gas]

Do they not realize they are a big part of the reason we're in online-only service game limbo right now?

[76561199723167594]

Diposting pertama kali oleh miakisfan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

More like the other way around.

No ... not really.

And you defending them might as well make you a pirate yourself. If you approve of a behavior you are likely to act that way yourself ... unless you do already which wouldn't be surprising in the least.

There are plenty of people in the world who think the world owes them a living. Game pirates are definitely included in that seeing they want their games free to play.

Look, I'm not going to defend DRM or its existence either. I wish it didn't exist.

That said, because of the human element in the world I understand its necessity. Because of people cheating the system whether by piracy or not we have had DRM foisted upon us.

Personally they are more to blame than the DRM is because it wouldn't have to exist without the criminal element in gaming.

That's a really strange theory. I approve of people cleaning the streets but I'm not likely to do it myself.

You didn't even respond to what I said except with "not really". The rest is just your general opinion.

[abcd]

Consumers don't pay for games; investors and stock markets do. Consumers represent 3-11% of total profits, and are the largest threat to investor overages. A good sell could push an investor over their target and insure they won't invest again; you want as few fluctuations in purchase numbers as possible.

In order to avoid purchase fluctuation, games are made online-only so that you have to buy them blind. On top of that they're live service, so they're continually reworked into a new and unrecognizable game every year, often every quarter. As such even booting the game following an update means tackling buyer's remorse for a completely new game. This alienates older players, and also attracts new ones; ensuring a continuous cycling of nearly the same number of players, always.

Piracy pushed this agenda because it was fueling consumer spending. People bought more of the game they knew was good and couldn't have its tracker go down than the mystery box "give me your money so I can say you exist to an investor who doesn't want too many of you around" paradigm encourages them to do. This was bad; every release could result in large market fluctuations as EVERYONE could see in the box to see what it was. Instantaneous consumer feedback, trickling right up top into the investor's ears. Unacceptable.

[Dom]

Diposting pertama kali oleh mizuri:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Obtaining games from Steam means you pay with money.

Obtaining games from "100% legit no virus pirates" means you pay with background-infection of Lumma Stealer that steals years of your browser history and saved credentials.

Worth it for that few hours of gameplay? 🤔

Lol. it depends on what site you look but these days only few reliable sources are 100% safe.

It doesn't really depend on that. You're downloading from anonymous sources & people and you cannot know their motives. Some malware out there is so sneaky that it will not be detected.

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Obtaining games from Steam means you pay with money.

Obtaining games from "100% legit no virus pirates" means you pay with background-infection of Lumma Stealer that steals years of your browser history and saved credentials.

Worth it for that few hours of gameplay? 🤔

Actually they won't steal your browser credentials because most of them are useless.
They will make your PC become a tool for a large DDoS attack.

Stealers are the most common attack vectors at the moment for pirated downloads. Basically they steal credentials, saved accounts, cookies (including the session tokens), all of browser & search history. Some of them also look for cryptocurrency wallets.

Usually, this is done while you actually get the thing you downloaded, so you don't notice a thing. And it takes just a few seconds to execute the script so by the time AVs would detect it, it's often too late.

Session tokens can be used to access your accounts on lots of websites.
A regular browser in regular private use may have hundreds of open, logged in sessions.

The cost of screwing up and executing a stealer nowadays is extremely high. It can ruin (and has ruined) the lives of many people out there.

[76561199723167594]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

The cost of screwing up and executing a stealer nowadays is extremely high. It can ruin (and has ruined) the lives of many people out there.

The chance of you not having a clue what you're talking about is extremely high. Or rather you're just here to fearmonger, you're a propagandist after all.

[Le fishe au chocolat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

Actually they won't steal your browser credentials because most of them are useless.
They will make your PC become a tool for a large DDoS attack.

Stealers are the most common attack vectors at the moment for pirated downloads. Basically they steal credentials, saved accounts, cookies (including the session tokens), all of browser & search history. Some of them also look for cryptocurrency wallets.

Usually, this is done while you actually get the thing you downloaded, so you don't notice a thing. And it takes just a few seconds to execute the script so by the time AVs would detect it, it's often too late.

Session tokens can be used to access your accounts on lots of websites.
A regular browser in regular private use may have hundreds of open, logged in sessions.

The cost of screwing up and executing a stealer nowadays is extremely high. It can ruin (and has ruined) the lives of many people out there.

So that attack wasn't from the pirated files itself, it seems from the website.

Well anyway, pirating isn't worth risking. Video games aren't expensive though, I think people should buy it to support the devs.

For the devs, if they treated players like burglars, they would pay for that too. I just stop buying EA nor Ubisoft games because their games are too buggy and unplayable, thank the investors and those always-online DRM.

Edit: if you asked what the investors did, well they set an impossible deadline so their satffs must make the games without testing bugs.

[76561199723167594]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Stealers are the most common attack vectors at the moment for pirated downloads. Basically they steal credentials, saved accounts, cookies (including the session tokens), all of browser & search history. Some of them also look for cryptocurrency wallets.

Usually, this is done while you actually get the thing you downloaded, so you don't notice a thing. And it takes just a few seconds to execute the script so by the time AVs would detect it, it's often too late.

Session tokens can be used to access your accounts on lots of websites.
A regular browser in regular private use may have hundreds of open, logged in sessions.

The cost of screwing up and executing a stealer nowadays is extremely high. It can ruin (and has ruined) the lives of many people out there.

So that attack wasn't from the pirated files itself, it seems from the website.

Well anyway, pirating isn't worth risking. Video games aren't expensive though, I think people should buy it to support the devs.

For the devs, if they treated players like burglars, they would pay for that too. I just stop buying EA nor Ubisoft games because their games are too buggy and unplayable, thank the investors and those always-online DRM.

Don't listen to him, he's just trying to instill fear in you. Isn't it obvious? Dude is not exactly subtle.

He's like: Hey everybody, I'm Dom and I'm here to tell you that piracy will RUIN YOUR LIFE!! Not only will your computer explode but it will kill your cat and make you step on a Lego every single morning for the rest of your life!!! Oh and obviously you are going to jail because pirates are vile criminals who are literally worse than Hitler and maybe even Trump.

[secuda]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Diposting pertama kali oleh secuda:

Who is woke? I am not some right winger. And n i dident say i was pirating i said drm effect legit consumer more often then pirates.

That guy I quoted of course.

Got it, sorry for the confususion .

[Le fishe au chocolat]

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Don't listen to him, he's just trying to instill fear in you. Isn't it obvious? Dude is not exactly subtle.

He's like: Hey everybody, I'm Dom and I'm here to tell you that piracy will RUIN YOUR LIFE!! Not only will your computer explode but it will kill your cat and make you step on a Lego every single morning for the rest of your life!!! Oh and obviously you are going to jail because pirates are vile criminals who are literally worse than Hitler and maybe even Trump.

Nah bruh, I have never pirated games and I won't. I just buy the games and cook it myself if I could. Piracy isn't morally right after all. I just want to say that I have my own right to choose what to buy and I have lost trust on the big companies.

[76561199723167594]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh ghost:

Don't listen to him, he's just trying to instill fear in you. Isn't it obvious? Dude is not exactly subtle.

He's like: Hey everybody, I'm Dom and I'm here to tell you that piracy will RUIN YOUR LIFE!! Not only will your computer explode but it will kill your cat and make you step on a Lego every single morning for the rest of your life!!! Oh and obviously you are going to jail because pirates are vile criminals who are literally worse than Hitler and maybe even Trump.

Nah bruh, I have never pirated games and I won't. I just buy the games and cook it myself if I could. Piracy isn't morally right after all. I just want to say that I have my own right to choose what to buy and I have lost trust on the big companies.

I'm not saying you should. Just that you shouldn't listen to that guy. He's not sincere.

[Dom]

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Stealers are the most common attack vectors at the moment for pirated downloads. Basically they steal credentials, saved accounts, cookies (including the session tokens), all of browser & search history. Some of them also look for cryptocurrency wallets.

Usually, this is done while you actually get the thing you downloaded, so you don't notice a thing. And it takes just a few seconds to execute the script so by the time AVs would detect it, it's often too late.

Session tokens can be used to access your accounts on lots of websites.
A regular browser in regular private use may have hundreds of open, logged in sessions.

The cost of screwing up and executing a stealer nowadays is extremely high. It can ruin (and has ruined) the lives of many people out there.

So that attack wasn't from the pirated files itself, it seems from the website.

Well anyway, pirating isn't worth risking. Video games aren't expensive though, I think people should buy it to support the devs.

For the devs, if they treated players like burglars, they would pay for that too. I just stop buying EA nor Ubisoft games because their games are too buggy and unplayable, thank the investors and those always-online DRM.

Edit: if you asked what the investors did, well they set an impossible deadline so their satffs must make the games without testing bugs.

Yes, it definitely isn't worth the risk. Because so much of our daily lives and confidential information is stored on our home devices nowadays. And if a cybercriminal throws that stealer script into a very large file and spread it across that large file, it'll be difficult for AVs to actually detect it.

Pirating stuff is equivalent to asking to be hacked at this point.

[abcd]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Pirating stuff is equivalent to asking to be hacked at this point.

Some feel the same way about not knowing how to cover manufacturing defects in security software, and use it as an excuse to hack with impunity.

[Fr4ntic]

Diposting pertama kali oleh kingjames488:

without pirates you'd all be streaming games on... what was that failed game streaming platform?
scampad? steamdeck? galaxybox?

You seem to be very positive about ppl who pirate games.
Anything you want to share ?

[76561199723167594]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Dom:

Diposting pertama kali oleh tom:

So that attack wasn't from the pirated files itself, it seems from the website.

Well anyway, pirating isn't worth risking. Video games aren't expensive though, I think people should buy it to support the devs.

For the devs, if they treated players like burglars, they would pay for that too. I just stop buying EA nor Ubisoft games because their games are too buggy and unplayable, thank the investors and those always-online DRM.

Edit: if you asked what the investors did, well they set an impossible deadline so their satffs must make the games without testing bugs.

Yes, it definitely isn't worth the risk. Because so much of our daily lives and confidential information is stored on our home devices nowadays. And if a cybercriminal throws that stealer script into a very large file and spread it across that large file, it'll be difficult for AVs to actually detect it.

Pirating stuff is equivalent to asking to be hacked at this point.

And listening to you is equivalent to asking to be scared with Boogeyman stories. I'm sure you think you're a really good person, amirite? Spreading fear to make people comply. You make me sick.

[Vince ✟]

The same way STDs have risen in the population, so does malicious scripts. These newer users dont care about protection. Theyre all about just sticking the file in and running with it. Same with them buying scripts to cheat. They dont care if its likely dirty, infectious, or downright dangerous, they want to have fun.

[vkobe]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Maxwell's Demon:

Do they not realize they are a big part of the reason we're in online-only service game limbo right now?

honey pot thread to be banned :^(