Everyone hates China but also don't want to pay local cost of product

[Cyber2B]

Reliance on one place is going to be the final nail in the coffin for the world economy once China decides to put a massive tariff on everyone

[Lime]

I don't hate China.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Cyber2B:

once China decides to put a massive tariff on everyone

Oh no. Anyway...

I actually support China restricting their imports. That increases the supply of products in the rest of the world, driving down prices for the rest of us.

China will then be free to use whatever forced labor they want to produce what they need domestically without crashing foreign economies.

Win/win.

[Fake]

Originally posted by Cyber2B:

Reliance on one place is going to be the final nail in the coffin for the world economy once China decides to put a massive tariff on everyone

China already has massive tariffs on foreign products. Meaning it's cheaper to buy from China than it is to SELL to china.

As for buying everything from china, companies are already being to move to India for products. How many years will it take for India to be the new China? No one knows.

[steven1mac]

Give it 10 years, a large percentage of things will be produced in SE Asia, cheaper labor for similar quality products.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by steven1mac:

Give it 10 years, a large percentage of things will be produced in SE Asia, cheaper labor for similar quality products.

I've bought some really good shirts recently from Vietnam and Honduras (oddly enough).

[ナルゴ]

Just stop complaining about trade deficits, drop the tariffs, and enjoy the cheap products.

We built large factories for economies of scale and mass production. That's how Chinese EVs, batteries, solar panels, steel, etc are cheap.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/01/17/how-much-would-an-iphone-cost-if-apple-were-forced-to-make-it-in-america/

How much would an iPhone cost if Apple were forced to make it in America?

In the $30,000 to $100,000 range… and no this is not a typo.

In fact, if Apple were forced to solely manufacture the iPhone in America, there is a good argument that it would not be able to manufacture any at all. And if they could somehow successfully make the manufacturing transition, capacity would likely be constrained to a just a few million units a year.

The issue here is not really about differences in the cost of labor. It is more about the supply chain and it is mostly about differences in the necessary skills required to manufacture hundreds of millions of iPhones at high-quality to satisfy current market demand.

As Apple CEO Tim Cook points out in a recent interview [1], the U.S. is sorely lacking in certain critical skills required in the manufacturing supply chain. One of these skills is precision tooling and specifically, tooling engineers.

The only losers in a world with free trade are places that don't specialize and can't compete in the global market. If there's a trade deficit, then offer your own world-class product. Not go kill trade.

America has their own niches. Good software. Way ahead of the curve in AI. Advanced semiconductor designs.

China acknowledges that, that's why we're investing in those sectors as well ,as we can't just continue on being a provider of common commodities.

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by Nargo:

How much would an iPhone cost if Apple were forced to make it in America?

In the $30,000 to $100,000 range… and no this is not a typo.

In fact, if Apple were forced to solely manufacture the iPhone in America, there is a good argument that it would not be able to manufacture any at all.

Those terms are acceptable. If a company requires forced labor to produce their products, then they shouldn't be producing products for the American market.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-30532463
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/11/business/dealbook/foxconn-worker-conditions.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/09/09/apple-accused-worker-violations-chinese-factories-by-labor-rights-group/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2022/11/24/foxconn-apologizes-after-workers-revolt-at-worlds-largest-iphone-factory/
https://chinalaborwatch.org/investigation-of-an-apple-supplier-chengdu-foxconn-report-in-2023/

There's over a decade worth of history regarding Apple's complacency in worker rights violations.

I have to wonder if that "$30k-$100k" price tag doesn't include the class-action lawsuits that American workers would file that Chinese workers cannot.

[kingjames488]

I'm actually more than happy to pay more for a quality product... the problem is the majority of the brands that used to be quality switched to being made in china and it's not really economical to produce a product that lasts and sell it for under like $200 for a pair of scissors... and at that price I'll just buy 365 pairs of scissors at the dollar store in a year.

[BuniBealla]

Idk about that, Chinese food slaps ngl uwu

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by BuniBealla:

Idk about that, Chinese food slaps ngl uwu

real chinese food or americanized chinese food?

I love me to lo mein

uwu

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by BuniBealla:

Idk about that, Chinese food slaps ngl uwu

real chinese food or americanized chinese food?

I love me to lo mein

uwu

Yeah, most Chinese food outside of China has been Westernized.

Except century eggs. Those are still very Chinese.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

real chinese food or americanized chinese food?

I love me to lo mein

uwu

Yeah, most Chinese food outside of China has been Westernized.

Except century eggs. Those are still very Chinese.

I can't imagine genuine century eggs could meet western food standards... they didn't even have those a century ago.

like they don't even allow that meat spice thing they have in asia here...

[MinionJoe]

Originally posted by kingjames488:

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Yeah, most Chinese food outside of China has been Westernized.

Except century eggs. Those are still very Chinese.

I can't imagine genuine century eggs could meet western food standards... they didn't even have those a century ago.

I got to try one in a Chinese restaurant when I lived in Korea.

Sure, I was young then, but I honestly could not finish it.

[kingjames488]

Originally posted by MinionJoe:

Originally posted by kingjames488:

I can't imagine genuine century eggs could meet western food standards... they didn't even have those a century ago.

I got to try one in a Chinese restaurant when I lived in Korea.

Sure, I was young then, but I honestly could not finish it.

I mean... my family used to keep chickens and I've smelt a 6-month egg crack... you can get outta here with your century eggs... and your century soup with crusty old soup all around it... and all that nonsense.

korea got it right with the kimchi, that's some gud stuff.

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