Are American Conservative Gamers cringe ?

[HotB]

they dont care about a games gameplay, only if they consider it to be woke or not.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Nope. It's about intent and implementation.

“I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence. I much prefer history – true or feigned– with its varied applicability to the thought and experience of readers. I think that many confuse applicability with allegory, but the one resides in the freedom of the reader, and the other in the purposed domination of the author.”
-Tolkien

Ironic considering how much LotR is commentary on WW1 and the soldiers experiences. As well as him being very close friends with the author of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

Which is literally a biblical allegory.

Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it. it's where that quote is from.

LOTR IS a fantasy world- not an allegory for the world wars.

People who place their own allegorical politics and force viewpoint on the reader will always be "woke"

Elden Ring and BG3 have progressive elements but allow the end-user to make up their own mind and interpret the story in the way they want.

Veilguard presses a viewpoint on the audience and is clearly a heavy handed allegory for modern day social issues.

They are not the same and devs will keep losing sales if they only recognize the cosmetic similarities and continue at failing to see intent in their own writing.

[Masque]

Boblin

As Silverlight said:

"Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it."

Here, let me find it for you.

https://tolkienshouseofbeing.substack.com/p/lotr-foreword-to-the-2nd-edition

[Ulfrinn]

Originally posted by Magma Dragoon:

We're not conservative, we're normal people

This is a good point.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Ironic considering how much LotR is commentary on WW1 and the soldiers experiences. As well as him being very close friends with the author of The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

Which is literally a biblical allegory.

Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it. it's where that quote is from.

LOTR IS a fantasy world- not an allegory for the world wars.

People who place their own allegorical politics and force viewpoint on the reader will always be "woke"

Elden Ring and BG3 have progressive elements but allow the end-user to make up their own mind and interpret the story in the way they want.

Veilguard presses a viewpoint on the audience and is clearly a heavy handed allegory for modern day social issues.

They are not the same and devs will keep losing sales if they only recognize the cosmetic similarities and continue at failing to see intent in their own writing.

You're proving further the label of 'woke' is useless.

[Zara]

Originally posted by Hot B:

Originally posted by saranacX:

The ADL disapproves of your profile, OP.

six million ? doubt it.

Went to McDonald's and asked for 6 million Big Macs, they said the most they could do was 271k.

Originally posted by saranacX:

The ADL disapproves of your profile, OP.

ADL is quite literally a hate cult. No one cares.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it. it's where that quote is from.

LOTR IS a fantasy world- not an allegory for the world wars.

People who place their own allegorical politics and force viewpoint on the reader will always be "woke"

Elden Ring and BG3 have progressive elements but allow the end-user to make up their own mind and interpret the story in the way they want.

Veilguard presses a viewpoint on the audience and is clearly a heavy handed allegory for modern day social issues.

They are not the same and devs will keep losing sales if they only recognize the cosmetic similarities and continue at failing to see intent in their own writing.

You're proving further the label of 'woke' is useless.

And you keep proving you have no idea what woke means.

[saranacX]

Originally posted by RexIes:

Originally posted by Hot B:

six million ? doubt it.

Went to McDonald's and asked for 6 million Big Macs, they said the most they could do was 271k.

Originally posted by saranacX:

The ADL disapproves of your profile, OP.

ADL is quite literally a hate cult. No one cares.

There was a thread about it the other day. The adl doesn't like pepe.

I don't care either. =P

[HotB]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

You're proving further the label of 'woke' is useless.

And you keep proving you have no idea what woke means.

You literally support Israel and Western NATO Democracies, you are a dumb Football-playing Casual Chad, you aren't nearly as intelligent as you think, you weren't around for GamerGate, you guys have become 1980s Hardcore Christians and haven't even realized it

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Masque:

Boblin

As Silverlight said:

"Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it."

Here, let me find it for you.

https://tolkienshouseofbeing.substack.com/p/lotr-foreword-to-the-2nd-edition

That doesn't say what was stated.

[Doomerang]

Honestly, who cares if a far lefty finds us “cringe.” Laugh in their faces

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Masque:

Boblin

As Silverlight said:

"Tolkien has an entire forward in the second edition about how this is actually not the case. It's a good read. I'd recommend it."

Here, let me find it for you.

https://tolkienshouseofbeing.substack.com/p/lotr-foreword-to-the-2nd-edition

That doesn't say what was stated.

That isn't a link the the forward. This user is mistaken. It's an analysis of excerpts from it, You can find it on Archive. org or your local library if you are truly interested.

[Conejo]

Neither do liberals, all they care about is sexuality and skin tone.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Originally posted by Silverlight:

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

You're proving further the label of 'woke' is useless.

And you keep proving you have no idea what woke means.

You went from 'woke' meaning a game focusing on things outside of gameplay or game design. Then designated anyone who infers an allegory in anything as 'woke'. All this while ignoring how 'woke' has been defined the past 4 years or so.

Changing the definition constantly doesn't mean people don't know what it means.

Oh, you also implied Wicked was 'woke'.

[HotB]

Originally posted by Doomerang:

Honestly, who cares if a far lefty finds us “cringe.” Laugh in their faces

people who decry everything they get as "woke" is just as bad as the LGBBQ Pedos, I don't like someone just because they are right-wing, they have to be real Gamers.

[Silverlight]

Originally posted by Boblin the Goblin:

Originally posted by Silverlight:

And you keep proving you have no idea what woke means.

You went from 'woke' meaning a game focusing on things outside of gameplay or game design. Then designated anyone who infers an allegory in anything as 'woke'. All this while ignoring how 'woke' has been defined the past 4 years or so.

Changing the definition constantly doesn't mean people don't know what it means.

Oh, you also implied Wicked was 'woke'.

Yep. Any dev that uses forced allegory to assign their own modern day political views into narrative is an activist 9 out of 10 times they make a bad game.

They usually can't make good TV shows or movies either. They just care about their message and are using media as thinly veiled(guard) propaganda. Sad really.