Mega Ultra Chicken (Ausgeschlossen) 23. Nov. 2024 um 21:51
Why did Western RPG makers turn to crap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HK6tBt8SqQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kg0jPX1d5P8&t=698s

Bethesda and Bioware used to make good games. Now Larian and Obsidian are the only ones who can put out decent games.
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It's a little something called Executive Meddling.
Prinny 23. Nov. 2024 um 21:55 
Starfield is so messed up. Bethesda games in general are very rough, and deeply flawed, but they have good world building.
Starfield took all of the flaws of a Bethesda RPG and got rid of it's few strengths.
Kamiyama 23. Nov. 2024 um 21:56 
Open world RPG's require a lot more work than most indie devs are capable of. So they are almost always made by large studios.

Large studios are run by silicon valley executives.

Silicon valley executives are almost always left-wing and support crap like SBI.

Gamers don't like that, so the game flops.
Larian and Obsidian will no doubt turn to crap as well and new developers will take their place, it's the cycle of videogaming.
Mega Ultra Chicken (Ausgeschlossen) 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:00 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kamiyama:
Open world RPG's require a lot more work than most indie devs are capable of. So they are almost always made by large studios.

Large studios are run by silicon valley executives.

Silicon valley executives are almost always left-wing and support crap like SBI.

Gamers don't like that, so the game flops.
They want to pander to this "modern audience" that supposedly likes casual RPG games and woke-ism. The sales of these games don't reflect it though.
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abcd 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:04 
"SONY IS OVERINVESTING IN RPGS, A MARKET WE CONTROL.

QUICK DROP ALL THE FUNDING SO THEY LOOK LIKE IDIOTS THAT ARE SPENDING TOO MUCH,

ALSO KEEP THE BUDGET HIGH AND SALARIES LOW; WE DON'T WANT THEM CATCHING WIND."
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Azor 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:08 
Western companies fire their talent.

https://youtu.be/WORsxfgoVjc?feature=shared

organizational and economic problem.
abcd 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:09 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Azor:
Western companies fire their talent.

https://youtu.be/WORsxfgoVjc?feature=shared

organizational and economic problem.

can't win the sony war if you keep giving the workers raises.

the best thing to do with your inflated budget that's not enough to pay for the project is to give the money to the executives holding the lid on the pot.

ideally they dump all the money into the stock market, to ease liquidity.
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Kamiyama 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:13 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von abcd:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Azor:
Western companies fire their talent.

https://youtu.be/WORsxfgoVjc?feature=shared

organizational and economic problem.

can't win the sony war if you keep giving the workers raises.

the best thing to do with your inflated budget that's not enough to pay for the project is to give the money to the executives holding the lid on the pot.

ideally they dump all the money into the stock market, to ease liquidity.

This way when the stock market crashes it destroys gaming too!

Brilliant!
abcd 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:16 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kamiyama:
Ursprünglich geschrieben von abcd:

can't win the sony war if you keep giving the workers raises.

the best thing to do with your inflated budget that's not enough to pay for the project is to give the money to the executives holding the lid on the pot.

ideally they dump all the money into the stock market, to ease liquidity.

This way when the stock market crashes it destroys gaming too!

Brilliant!

nooo, it just means that when the stock market begins to contract due to ill-advised leverage games get stepped on first.

as opposed to, oh i dunno, the banks handing out leverage.
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Obsidian's just been doing it longer. They're basically just the resurrection of Black Isle from back in the day, and they do actually have Bethesda to thank for necromancing them back to life financially speaking.

Game development and creation is a business, first and foremost.
It's a business, not an art.
Historically speaking if you look back at old arcade and casino games, like traditional arcade and casino games from long before the digital era, yeah, they're made to be a money collector machine, a business machine.
Ever play Ski Ball? I really don't think anybody who developed Ski Ball was like: "I've got an idea, I'm going to make an art project where you roll a ball down a pathway, it hits a bump, pops up, and falls into one of several holes."

True, there IS an art TO IT, but the reason it became a business is that it's sort of mechanically designed to be business-relative.
There's DEFINITELY art to it, I mean, play any modern video game and I don't think anybody will disagree that the graphics look amazing, even if they don't necessarily like said game's art style.

But game development itself and the creation of a game, is business-based.
Even War Games, is strategic AND business-designed through marketing to be appealing...and War Games are some of the oldest games we even know about.

So when it comes to Western RPGs, yeah, there's definitely a financial incentive.
Western Culture in general is very heavily influenced by financial incentives.
Money is the new world's God, basically. At least, in the West.
Mega Ultra Chicken (Ausgeschlossen) 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:31 
It seems like the more mainstream/popular these companies get, the worse they become. This is true for most AAA Gaming companies today.
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Ursprünglich geschrieben von Pronnu:
Starfield is so messed up. Bethesda games in general are very rough, and deeply flawed, but they have good world building.
Starfield took all of the flaws of a Bethesda RPG and got rid of it's few strengths.
Starfield in particular is painful because there's a lot of things in it that start off strong, then peter out near the end.
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mega Ultra Chicken:
It seems like the more mainstream/popular these companies get, the worse they become. This is true for most AAA Gaming companies today.

Well, part of the problem with business in modernity is that you can't really go into business without incurring an insane amount of debt to do so in the first place. Yes, you get access to significantly lower tax rates for being a business owner, but at the cost of an investment into debt so steep that you're basically strapped in it for like at least 5 - 10 years, and that's a big IF for assuming everything goes according to plan (which, as we all know, never happens).

The language of money in general is kind of backwards.
Investing SOUNDS like you make money, and it is true that EVENTUALLY you do make money off of it...just like having kids SOUNDS like you will profit in your life from having kids, and it is true that EVENTUALLY your kids will take on your responsibilities in life and you'll see an ROI of some kind...but the practicality of these kinds of things, just is null and void by interest and inflation rates of modern times, and therein lies the problem.

If EVERYBODY is looking to make money, than there is no money to be made, because there is NOBODY who has money, since ALL of the money is ALWAYS in constant circulation in the economy.

So basically what's happening is, the upper class and the lower class, are being pushed closer and closer together and their differences are being pushed out the door entirely, and this is being done by the orchestration of the billionaire class and the upper echelon of society. Who in the direct and verbatim words of Warren Buffet himself: "There's class warfare, all right, but it's my class, the rich class, that's making war, and we're winning."

Every boss has a boss, right?
Okay, well, the upper class of society, their boss is the billionaire class.
So unless you're bought in and have a billion dollars, the difference between you and a homeless person to people in the billionaire class does not exist and you and the homeless person are one and the same.
abcd 23. Nov. 2024 um 22:50 
Ursprünglich geschrieben von Daenoxiis:
Okay, well, the upper class of society, their boss is the billionaire class.
So unless you're bought in and have a billion dollars, the difference between you and a homeless person to people in the billionaire class does not exist and you and the homeless person are one and the same.

The point of tax brackets is to reinforce this feeling.
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