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Azor Nov 21, 2024 @ 6:47pm
Why do some conservatives claim George Carlin as their guy?
George Carlin was able to be offensive, sure, but I listened to some of his stuff and... well, he sounds like a leftist. Like these

https://youtu.be/K98TQJ5ldW0?feature=shared

He mocks pro-life conservatives, pointing out their hipocrisy.

https://youtu.be/xgeLpFTNn8g?feature=shared

He mostly talks about the kind of ---- women are put up with, and that includes men.

https://youtu.be/19cL0RuJx4E?feature=shared

He doesn't use the forbidden word, but he's pretty much talking about it -- toxic masculinity.

https://youtu.be/7O8AI_0F1ts?feature=shared

Now, this is one of his standups which could be viewed as right-wing as he criticizes the concept of pride. But he does it as he mocks nationalism and patriotism, which, in consideration, makes his joke about pride pretty leftist.
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Masque Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:21pm 
Originally posted by abcd:
sorry, am I being too obtuse?
Oi, what's all this then? You got a loicense for those jokes?
Morkonan Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:21pm 
Originally posted by Azor:
George Carlin was able to be offensive, sure, but I listened to some of his stuff and... well, he sounds like a leftist....

Carlin is most definitely on the Liberal side of the spectrum, maybe even "Left."

He was funny and his messaging hit hard at the time when a lot of younger folk were starting to become much more politically active, even if they didn't vote much...

Honestly, though... His sociopolitical commentary doesn't really age well, today. Sure, it can be funny, but it doesn't hit audiences today like it hit them back when he was alive and in his prime.

Carlin rebranded himself and found a shtick that worked. He found an "in your face" "man shouts at clouds" presentation that caught a good many people's attention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvdLV-5McNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHFLTb9Fp18

Yes, that's Carlin. :)

I'm really glad he found a voice that worked. But, he was also joined by quite a few comedians that developed their own style of sociopolitical/cultural stuffs. He stuck with that "straight man" shtick for quite awhile, though. If he hadn't moved to something more controversial, nobody would remember who he was. :)

Just like... if Robin Williams hadn't gotten into movies... his "yukkity yuk yuk" brand of over-the-top presentation and wacky voices wouldn't have made him a household name. It was his "energy," not "controversy" that sealed his breakout success, but it wouldn't have lasted if he hadn't started getting TV and Film roles. (Dramatic ones, in particular)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHIcmoY3_lE

(Love that flick, which I why I led directly into a clip from it)


Anyway - Honestly, "comedians" can really do good work in bringing controversial issues into the light so that we can more easily see them and, hopefully, discuss them. But, they are not usually cut out for being leaders or icons. That's not their job. Their job is to make illuminating commentary that may, if that's what they want to achieve, raise some new ideas about social issues... or just make people laugh.
abcd Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:22pm 
Originally posted by Masque:
Originally posted by abcd:
sorry, am I being too obtuse?
Oi, what's all this then? You got a loicense for those jokes?

As a matter of fact I have more legal right to make them than the people attempting to censor me do to censor me.
Originally posted by Azor:
Why do some conservatives claim George Carlin as their guy?

Some "conservatives" like to paint themselves as "anti-establishment," so they cherry-pick from people like Carlin. (I know other people cherry-pick as well.)
Azor Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:26pm 
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Originally posted by Morkonan:
Seems like a good post with good examples to back up what you're saying. I'll look closer soon.

UNEDITED POST:
Originally posted by abcd:
Carlin's good at talking around stuff. Maybe even great at it. And he understands how many people, liberal and conservative, have built this entire planet out of confusing the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ issue. It drives him up a wall, like a casava melon. Or the phrase' driving up a wall.' Or the fact that somehow penises have superior ballistic shapes, despite that being extremely arbitrary from a biological perspective and somehow our 'completely straight' brains keep going out of their way to design every aspect of a weapon system to resemble a penis.
He sounded pretty clear and direct, at least in the videos I mentioned above.

Originally posted by DarkCrystalMethod:
He was more aware about reality than the current crop of humans.
That has earned our respect.
Then I guess you can share some of his stuff which you like.

I'd assume you'd like this
https://youtu.be/7n2PW1TqxQk?feature=shared

well, a white conservative might not like when he says "smug well-fed greedy white people have invented a language to conceals their sins", but I think most of what he says there crosses the political spectrum. But even then, to me he sounds like a leftist criticizing politically correct language, as when I hear a conservative to complain politically correct language, they usually complain that people are too sensitive nowadays and can't take criticism, which was not what where George Carlin was coming from.


Originally posted by Iggy Wolf:

If you're expecting him to side with one camp more than the other, you don't understand Carlin. He was funny to everyone in the audience, no matter their politics or religion, because he always kept it real in terms of who the actual enemies and power brokers were. The ability to appeal to both sides, especially in a polarized political climate like the one today, would be an invaluable skill not to just to any politician but a comedian as well.
I bet he wouldn't support either political party. But neither American party is left-wing, so his lack of support for either party doesn't imply he's wasn't a leftist.
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DarkCrystalMethod Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:26pm 
The Ministry of Jokes approves the above statements.
DarkCrystalMethod Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:29pm 
Carlin's left vs right arguments were completely non-political.
Or he gave both sides equal amounts of both barrels.
abcd Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:31pm 
Originally posted by DarkCrystalMethod:
Carlin's left vs right arguments were completely non-political.
Or he gave both sides equal amounts of both barrels.

He played to a 'moral heart,' and the issue is he did have vaguely misogynistic views. So that heart wasn't exactly in the right place.

Republicans claiming him is a transparent attempt to shift the country's moral heart towards misogyny. Just knock it a little bit further out of alignment.
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Masque Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:31pm 
I loved Carlin's early stand-up. I had most of it on vinyl, and then all of it on cassette. His later stuff, I'd say from the Parental Advisory album onward, wasn't comedy any more, IMO. It was preaching, for the most part. Fire and brimstone-style preaching. Lewis Black did it better.

His career arc was like the opposite of Sam Kinison's, in a way. :amadeus_happy:
jimbalayajones Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:32pm 
Originally posted by DarkCrystalMethod:
Carlin's left vs right arguments were completely non-political.
Or he gave both sides equal amounts of both barrels.
Yep...That about sums it up...
Morkonan Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:42pm 
Originally posted by Azor:
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Originally posted by Morkonan:
Seems like a good post with good examples to back up what you're saying. I'll look closer soon.
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It's more about how these sorts of comedic icons emerge than anything else. And, of course, the fact that Carlin was very strongly Liberal, at least in his messaging, and likely far Left in his political influences.

And, while comedians are paid to be insightful, they're just not going to be the icons and figureheads that people should think should speak for them. That's not their task and that's not the job they're working at.

Even Jon Stewart, long held as a nice light in the dark for sensible, funny, commentary, isn't cut out to be some kind of sociopolitical leader/spokesperson. He's got a quick wit and generally appealing insight and comedy, but he can also go way to far when it comes down to practical discussions about "doing something about" whatever it is he's bringing up.

Comedians can be excellent canaries to sound out pressing issues that many may have overlooked or have refused to acknowledge. But, it's everyone else's job to take it from there, once it has been illuminated.
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abcd Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:46pm 
Originally posted by Morkonan:
Originally posted by Azor:
EDIT:
Seems like a good post with good examples to back up what you're saying. I'll look closer soon.
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It's more about how these sorts of comedic icons emerge than anything else. And, of course, the fact that Carlin was very strongly Liberal, at least in his messaging, and likely far Left in his political influences.
I think you're making good points, and I don't expect you to respond to this.

But I feel that clarifying that Carlin's Liberal views and his anti-second-wave-feminism views are not contradictory. Same as how he clearly struggled with misogynistic feelings in his life, independent of his criticisms of Feminism.

He isn't 'wholly wrong' or 'wholly right,' and he tended to present himself as a flawed person. His act often revolved around the reality that people are all flawed, often in humorous and absolutely relentlessly horrifying ways.

When I say the Republicans are trying to shift the heart out of alignment, I mean they're digging up his corpse and dressing it up in a tutu to dance for them.
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Ulfrinn Nov 21, 2024 @ 7:59pm 
Or maybe it was the left that has tried to attribute Carlin to the right, as they do everybody who doesn't drink their koolaid. Just recently they were trying to bill Joe Rogan as being a right wing propagandist.
abcd Nov 21, 2024 @ 8:03pm 
Originally posted by Ulfrinn:
Or maybe it was the left that has tried to attribute Carlin to the right, as they do everybody who doesn't drink their koolaid. Just recently they were trying to bill Joe Rogan as being a right wing propagandist.

Or maybe no sane human can back either side.
Iggy Wolf Nov 21, 2024 @ 8:05pm 
Originally posted by Ulfrinn:
Or maybe it was the left that has tried to attribute Carlin to the right, as they do everybody who doesn't drink their koolaid. Just recently they were trying to bill Joe Rogan as being a right wing propagandist.

Here's the thing though. Comedians are usually self-aware enough to know what their role is and how much influence they have over an audience, which is more than can be said for the politicians and the people who idolize and worship those politicians, no matter who they are. Comedians for the most part at least try to get people to make up their own damn minds and see things with their own eyes and ears.

They don't claim to have all the answers, nor do they think anyone should follow them or that they should or could lead. If Joe Rogan insists on being "unbiased" and "fair", then perhaps he should insist that his viewers and/or listeners DON'T take anything he says at face value, because at the end of the day, it's just HIS opinion, and they should make up their own damn minds. Half of comedy is about being funny. So I would argue how successful he is at even THAT, if he doesn't actually make people laugh.
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