Chaosolous 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:06
A world without money.
As a thought experiment;

How do you think that would work?
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abcd 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:32 
wellno only some people have infinite greed. and we can't just remove them, we have to somehow solve infinite conceptual greed.
Chaosolous 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:34 
Publicado originalmente por Breathe:
Publicado originalmente por Chaosolous:
I'm curious, would anyone want to be human without that being part of our psyche? Like, does that desire for wealth accumulation define us in some way?
Yes. We're hardwired for survival.

I would argue that greed and survival are not the same thing though. I can see how we might conflate them however, since they're both mildly entangled.

You can reach a point where survival doesn't require any more greed.

I think more than anything that removing money from the world or the desire for money from people would result in humans not being human.

Life is weird when you overthink it.
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sleeps 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:37 
won't work, i bet.
Chaosolous 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:44 
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I edited my post lol.

I did see that. My response was to what I initially read though so I'ma just leave it there.

Appreciate the input though; I always value viewpoints beyond my own, assuming they're presented respectfully. You're usually pretty on point with the respect so your take is always welcome.
ナルゴ 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:45 
Would not last long. People would immediately re-invent money because trading through a bartering system is a nightmare.


Let's say you own a cow and want a new shirt.
But the guy offering a shirt wants 10 chickens.
Now you'll have to find a guy who offers chickens for cows
You might find a farmer who owns chickens, but he's offering 30 chickens per cow. You don't need that many chickens and can't raise them. But you're forced to take it because you really wanted that shirt.
So you either take the loss by saying you'll only take 10 chickens, or you take all 30 chickens and exchange 10 for the shirt, then be left with 20 chickens you didn't want.

If this sounds inefficient, that's because it is.
ulia 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:48 
We have already had a world without money and know how it plays out: People begin with bartering, then realize the inefficiencies of bartering and so they invent currency to use instead.
󠀡󠀡 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:51 
Fantastic. A world where everything is standardised would be a utopia. Without money, there will be no incentive for greedy companies to produce overpriced goods such as GPU's, instead we'll have a gaming PC of the same power, similar to consoles. There won't be products for the poor and products for the rich.

Housing will be treated as a need instead of a business, same as food and water. Jobs won't be based on the income of families, instead everyone would get equal opportunity to go to the same schools and universities and the level of job you get will be based on work put in and capability.
Última edición por 󠀡󠀡; 11 AGO 2024 a las 7:01
we have examples already....
you work in the armed forces or on a oil rig or ship at sea or in space
you dont need money as such as you have everything you need to
get the job done each day....

the added bonus... things are not limited to a budget which would accelerate everything
󠀡󠀡 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:54 
Publicado originalmente por ulia:
We have already had a world without money and know how it plays out: People begin with bartering, then realize the inefficiencies of bartering and so they invent currency to use instead.
Kind of a limited view on bartering. Rather than trading cows, we can trade hours in community service/volunteering work or hours spent at work.

For example: 30 hours total spent assisting the elderly in a rest-home will enable you to pick up an upgrade/add-on to the standardised computers such as a storage expansion card.

Or lets say you created a game as a game developer, well if the game is a success, you get a bonus added on top of the hours you put in developing the game which will enable you to either attend a nicer restaurant or maybe upgrade your home cinema system.
Última edición por 󠀡󠀡; 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:57
Mauserich 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:56 
Publicado originalmente por KalCuey:
we had that

we came up with money

Of course, by far the greatest period of evolution. The money period is only a fraction of a percent of that.
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ulia 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:57 
Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡:
Publicado originalmente por ulia:
We have already had a world without money and know how it plays out: People begin with bartering, then realize the inefficiencies of bartering and so they invent currency to use instead.
Kind of a limited view on bartering. Rather than trading cows, we can trade hours in community service/volunteering work or hours spent at work.
No thanks, Stalin
󠀡󠀡 11 AGO 2024 a las 6:58 
Publicado originalmente por ulia:
Publicado originalmente por 󠀡󠀡:
Kind of a limited view on bartering. Rather than trading cows, we can trade hours in community service/volunteering work or hours spent at work.
No thanks, Stalin
Sure, enjoy the ever increasing wealth gap between the elite and the every day person.
Silverlight 11 AGO 2024 a las 7:04 
Money is a vital part of society. It protects you as much as a gun.
miakisfan 11 AGO 2024 a las 7:08 
Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:
Post-scarcity Star Trek utopia.

Wow ... someone said what I thought immediately.

The problem with the barter system is having something worth being traded of equal value.

It would force the elites, i.e. rich people, to lose power. I doubt they would want to let that happen.

I do tend to believe that if everyone had the exact same amount of money there would be a serious lack of work issue.

A lot of people would have to change their mindset on how then new system would work and I don't think that would work out well for those with a ton of money right now. It would also force them to see people they normally look down upon to see as equals.

In the short term I don't see it working well. Once they are forced to realize that they are equals to everyone else then that may change.
Silverlight 11 AGO 2024 a las 7:12 
Publicado originalmente por miakisfan:
Publicado originalmente por tmwfte:
Post-scarcity Star Trek utopia.

Wow ... someone said what I thought immediately.

The problem with the barter system is having something worth being traded of equal value.

It would force the elites, i.e. rich people, to lose power. I doubt they would want to let that happen.

I do tend to believe that if everyone had the exact same amount of money there would be a serious lack of work issue.

A lot of people would have to change their mindset on how then new system would work and I don't think that would work out well for those with a ton of money right now. It would also force them to see people they normally look down upon to see as equals.

In the short term I don't see it working well. Once they are forced to realize that they are equals to everyone else then that may change.
Star trek still has elites. Its a meritocracy. If you arent the best of the best (Even starfleet doesnt take 9/10 candidates) then you are living a basic life and society thinks very lowly of you.
The characters aboard the enterprise are arrogant and ravenous for status and acclaim and go out of their way to achieve it.

If you failed under capitalism, you'd likely fail worse under Trek.
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