Napoléon

[Arvaos ⚚]

How do the French feel about Napoléon?

Are they proud or ashamed of him?

[blacksunchaos]

Implying they have any sense of shame to begin with.

[Voroff]

Excellent at quick deployment and artillery; otherwise a very unlikeble person that i wholehertely leave to the Corsicans to claim as "theirs".

Id'd say about 10-ish percent of the Frenches like the guy and 40 to 50% despise him.

[Xautos]

Napoleone di Buonaparte brought France to great heights a little over a century before the world wars started up, how quickly France reverted in that time in between those wars after his exile and death.

Despite Napoleone's plans on the UK, the British Navy sunk the French fleet intending on leading an invasion, this irrevocably scuppered his plans as he tried to create alliances, and force legitimate rulers out of their countries so he can use them for his own purposes, however despite his best efforts his forces were destroyed and his puppet allies didn't last long either.

His manipulations came back to bite him when his allies and enemies wanted to get rid of him at the end, he went from a strong emperor to a hated one in the space of a few decades.

You aren't going to find a lot of love for the man and what he accomplished and tried to accomplish.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by Xautos:

Napoleone di Buonaparte brought France to great heights a little over a century before the world wars started up, how quickly France reverted in that time in between those wars after his exile and death.

Despite Napoleone's plans on the UK, the British Navy sunk the French fleet intending on leading an invasion, this irrevocably scuppered his plans as he tried to create alliances, and force legitimate rulers out of their countries so he can use them for his own purposes, however despite his best efforts his forces were destroyed and his puppet allies didn't last long either.

His manipulations came back to bite him when his allies and enemies wanted to get rid of him at the end, he went from a strong emperor to a hated one in the space of a few decades.

You aren't going to find a lot of love for the man and what he accomplished and tried to accomplish.

... hu ... what are you on, even ? Seriously ? Manipulations ? Force legitimate rulers out of their countries ? Are you even aware of the alliance of anti-french-revolution that tried to invade France from all sides ? He counter-conquered them to be sure they dont try that again. IT WAS SELF DEFENSE ! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

[vkobe]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Originally posted by Xautos:

Napoleone di Buonaparte brought France to great heights a little over a century before the world wars started up, how quickly France reverted in that time in between those wars after his exile and death.

Despite Napoleone's plans on the UK, the British Navy sunk the French fleet intending on leading an invasion, this irrevocably scuppered his plans as he tried to create alliances, and force legitimate rulers out of their countries so he can use them for his own purposes, however despite his best efforts his forces were destroyed and his puppet allies didn't last long either.

His manipulations came back to bite him when his allies and enemies wanted to get rid of him at the end, he went from a strong emperor to a hated one in the space of a few decades.

You aren't going to find a lot of love for the man and what he accomplished and tried to accomplish.

... hu ... what are you on, even ? Seriously ? Manipulations ? Force legitimate rulers out of their countries ? Are you even aware of the alliance of anti-french-revolution that tried to invade France from all sides ? He counter-conquered them to be sure they dont try that again. IT WAS SELF DEFENSE ! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

only against spain and germany

after the guy totally go nuts and want his personal war against russia, he could just give up and say ok you want trading with uk that it, just respect the non agression treaty

but nope guy like him never know when to stop and he go to his suicide war against russia

[Steve]

Great Ice-cream flavor.

[Xautos]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Originally posted by Xautos:

Napoleone di Buonaparte brought France to great heights a little over a century before the world wars started up, how quickly France reverted in that time in between those wars after his exile and death.

Despite Napoleone's plans on the UK, the British Navy sunk the French fleet intending on leading an invasion, this irrevocably scuppered his plans as he tried to create alliances, and force legitimate rulers out of their countries so he can use them for his own purposes, however despite his best efforts his forces were destroyed and his puppet allies didn't last long either.

His manipulations came back to bite him when his allies and enemies wanted to get rid of him at the end, he went from a strong emperor to a hated one in the space of a few decades.

You aren't going to find a lot of love for the man and what he accomplished and tried to accomplish.

... hu ... what are you on, even ? Seriously ? Manipulations ? Force legitimate rulers out of their countries ? Are you even aware of the alliance of anti-french-revolution that tried to invade France from all sides ? He counter-conquered them to be sure they dont try that again. IT WAS SELF DEFENSE ! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

Calling it self-defence implies he did something to trigger them to respond in the first place.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by vkobe:

Originally posted by Voroff:

... hu ... what are you on, even ? Seriously ? Manipulations ? Force legitimate rulers out of their countries ? Are you even aware of the alliance of anti-french-revolution that tried to invade France from all sides ? He counter-conquered them to be sure they dont try that again. IT WAS SELF DEFENSE ! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !

only against spain and germany

after the guy totally go nuts and want his personal war against russia, he could just give up and say ok you want trading with uk that it, just respect the non agression treaty

but nope guy like him never know when to stop and he go to his suicide war against russia

Again, you dont understand the french state-of-mind : anything to be a pain to the brits. Forever and ever, and forevermore, and at least one more century after they're be able to demonstrate any sort of ability to brew any kind of beer that's considered - "drinkable" - by anything that's NOT brit and thus have NOT genetically lost the sense of taste.

Everything else about Napoleon : again, it was self-defense. Re-watch some history channels. I'm saying that and i dont even like that guy, peuh.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Originally posted by Arvaos:

How do the French feel about Napoléon?

Are they proud or ashamed of him?

They are in general immensely proud of his achievements.

His brothers descendants are still involved in politics and there are still "Bonapartists" in France who are supporters of these descendants.

On a bit of a personal note though, I watched that Napoleon movie the other night. Good lord it was awful. The best parts were the costumes and sets. The writing and acting was absolute trash, incredibly disappointing. I saw Ridley say he would release a directors cut; while that may have saved Kingdom of Heaven, I really doubt it will do much for Napoleon. It was almost like Joaquin didn't even bother to try to put an ounce of effort into the role, just dressed up and regurgitated his lines. So glad I didn't buy it or spend money to see it in the theaters.

[Masque]

Originally posted by Dr. Staten Island:

Great Ice-cream flavor.

Bro that's Neopolitan.

[Triple G]

Fun fact:
Because of him we drive on the right hand side.

[Michael]

Originally posted by Arvaos:

How do the French feel about Napoléon?

Are they proud or ashamed of him?

They are fine

https://youtu.be/5rqc5a7Ziko

https://youtu.be/z1ggVcQN_dE

[Electric Cupcake]

Looking up the Eroica Symphony on YT, almost all performances in the results are either British, American or German orchestras.

I guess the French feel much like Beethoven did when he famously scratched out the dedication and declared he wrote the funeral march too early.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jycyGXQeGNk

[Steve]

Originally posted by Masque:

Originally posted by Dr. Staten Island:

Great Ice-cream flavor.

Bro that's Neopolitan.

oh. right. well it's still a good flavour.

[Dracoco OwO]

Don't really care about history, i'm not learning anything usefull from it, peoples are still full of ♥♥♥♥ and i have nothing to gain from it.