Who decided that we need exactly 12 years of grade school?

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Who decided that we need exactly 12 years of grade school?

[kbiz]

They.

[vkobe]

because majority is 18 years old

so at 5 old year you are big enough to learn alphabet

after they going to force you to learn more knowledge, even if some are irrelevant

also it is up to you to abandon school at your 16 old year

but seem society think 12 years is enough, but in reality it is longer, other option you work and learn nice skill

[76561199609768326]

to make friends i guess

after highschool it impossible

[Steve]

Teachers unions are very powerful lobby groups.

[a profile]

europe had been fighting against the idea of public education for a long time, but when the US pushed its through the dam was broken and people started competing to see who could educate the most. the intent being to create a bubble and burst it, so that the peasants aren't any more educated than before. except in regards to technical skills and memorization of flawed histories, of course.

as a result people were competing with quality as well as year numbers, eventually culminating in standard education for 6 years (age 6-12) before entering the workforce in some capacity or another. germany, the netherlands, and the scandanavian countries would leverage the years up, then the uk france would match them and spain would match at a subprime rate.

seeing this unfolding, and seeing it was a financial scam, a coalition of interests began advocating for more years. 8 years, 10 years, 12 years, 7 years 9 years, and mostly people didn't want to go for it. they wanted less education overall, not more. pushing years will only push out the costs of this little game, and threaten a real education system developing independent of the financial system. (up to this point education was a marker of financial success, as it was cost-prohibitive otherwise on a personal level.)

these forces wound up finding purchase in the US, who also didn't want to increase year numbers but was still a loosey-goosey coalition of political interests subject to outside manipulation. as it is today. so, lobbyists managed to push through a 12 year total and this became the standard due to the matching and leveraging other countries in the competitive market were undertaking.

the excessive amount of years was convenient as it allowed them to argue that the expense of education meant the pace needed to be drastically slowed down in order to match costs. the target figure was around 7-9 years per 12 undertaken, and the execution of this paradigm was variably blamed on the necessity of after-school work hours as well as the summer break for harvesting and farm labor. but, realistically, it was just being slowed down for financial leveraging reasons.

several waves of education reform have happened, and there is now such a technical gap between different educations and even neighboring counties in the same country. even opposite sides of the same city might have drastically different educational standards, one being designed to produce factory workers and one being a benefit of living in a wealthy neighborhood. while this is continually attacked resolved and changed, such that all schools are a little bit crappy now, for fairness' sake, the end result is a lot of wasted time and inuring developing adolescents to the concepts of slavery, drudgery, ignorance, and a disregard for pretty much anything that isn't in their immediate social sphere of influence.

so, in summary, what education?

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Originalmente postado por vkobe:

because majority is 18 years old

Also arbitrary.

Most people in OT shouldn't be trusted with cars or booze, and they're mostly all over 18.

[doug]

Originalmente postado por Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Originalmente postado por vkobe:

because majority is 18 years old

Also arbitrary.

Most people in OT shouldn't be trusted with cars or booze, and they're mostly all over 18.

Shouldn't be trusted with internet access or a steam account either.

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Originalmente postado por doug:

Originalmente postado por Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Also arbitrary.

Most people in OT shouldn't be trusted with cars or booze, and they're mostly all over 18.

Shouldn't be trusted with internet access or a steam account either.

People keep threatening to revoke both for me.

[AdahnGorion]

It is 9 years here, 10 if you want to.
It is culture based and about maturity

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Originalmente postado por AdahnGorion:

It is 9 years here, 10 if you want to.
It is culture based and about maturity

In the past the period between 18 and 21 was meant to comprise the maturation process that previously took place between 12 and 15.

Some have argued that the intent is to stretch out childhood and infantilization as long as possible, in order to have a complicit and childlike populace. Rebellious, impetuous, but ignorant and predictable. Controllable, with the occasional release of steam or riot or 10-20 year revolution and consequent reactionaries.

Others have said that by lowering the age of maturation more conflict and chaos is generated, for exploitation by wiser societies with longer childhoods. 12 year old kings declaring war on 29 year old kings who have twice their armies and campaign experience for disrespecting their tunic at a party. Or a 16 year old king taking their economic kingdom to war with a military one ruled by a 13 year old. 19 year old diplomats believing themselves the advisors of the world, so well-educated they are. 30 year olds feeling wise simply for surviving.

Can either way truly be said to be better than the other, in totality?

[Agenda 2025]

My property taxes went up 50% in 2023 so the county can use it to school illegal immigrants kids not even from my country nor has my countries citizenship. People had to move out of my county because they could not afford the 50% property tax increase. Homes are not selling now because of it.

[Defenestration]

joe mama

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Originalmente postado por Philco7a:

My property taxes went up 50% in 2023 so the county can use it to school illegal immigrants kids not even from my country nor has my countries citizenship. People had to move out of my county because they could not afford the 50% property tax increase. Homes are not selling now because of it.

Wow, I wonder who's behind such property tax increases. Seems an unusually harsh measure if the city is locally-owned.

[Cool hedgehog]

The goal of 12 years of education for all children is fundamental to economic growth, global health, climate action and women’s rights. Without it, the rest of the SDGs – designed to end poverty, protect the planet and ensure prosperity for all – are unachievable. The recommendation of 12 years of instruction, consisting of eight years of elementary education followed by four years of high school, was made by the "Committee of Ten" in 1892. The exact reasons for having kindergarten followed by grades one through 12 are not clearly known, but it is believed to be a natural result of the child development cycle.

[Morkonan]

Originalmente postado por vkobe:

because majority is 18 years old...

^-- This.

It's also difficult to make very young parents go to school...


For those who may think it's too much:

For the U.S., 12 years is the minimum amount of time needed to give the minimum amount of education needed in order to prevent regular laborers and factory workers from becoming wrench-turning monkeys and dial-watchers with little, or no, labor capital value in the world marketplace. (ie: "The Wealth of Nations" - Adam Smith)

So, that's the absolute minimum amount of education that a person needs and should have. The minimum.