Why is everything a "woke" conspiracy theory these days?

[Iggy Wolf]

It seems like everything and anything under the Sun gets labeled as "woke" or "DEI". I seriously doubt that there's as much of a push to make anything "woke" as people claim or think there is. Companies are in the business of making money, plain and simple.

To that extent, they tend to expand their customer base as wide as possible. Any claims that they're purposefully "targeting" or emphasizing one group more than another is superfluous, and ignores the more OBVIOUS and reasonable explanation that they're simply casting a wider net and want as many people to buy their product.

Now, if we're talking about specifically and purposefully changing characters or stories in visual or printed media, then I would argue that it's probably not as widespread of a problem as people think. Marvel's MCU might have certainly given that impression.

Hell, Ubisoft's recent fiasco with AC Shadows is pretty controversial. But let's be honest, "wokeness" has been leveled at almost every and any new game coming out, whether it's actually even guilty of being "woke", simply because there's a bunch of people who are paranoid about "woke" in general and start looking for it where it doesn't exist. Let's get something straight.

1: Diversity in itself isn't bad.
2: Token minorities can be insulting, but only because they are underdeveloped and treated as caricatures rather than real people.
3: If a story is bad, then what the characters aren't isn't going to make much of a difference.
And 4: How a character looks (whether they're considered "ugly" or "attractive" is debatable) is usually less related to "woke" and more of a designer/developer choice, and sometimes that choice can plain simply suck.

Which is all irrelevant to whether a game or movie will even be good. If I'm honest, sometimes it comes off more as a bunch of racists/bigots complaining that the world has changed and the new people represented in media and in general are not people these individuals "like". So their own biases and prejudices are coloring their opinion.

Not to say it's always a xenophobic or bigoted reason, but plenty of those people have jumped on the "hate wokeness" bandwagon. Back in the day, if you simply wanted to go ahead and say that a company or person was overemphasizing race, nationality, gender, religion, or creed, you'd simply say they were being "politically correct". It's a less loaded term, and tends to actually criticize actual instances of PC attitudes that were done for brown points rather than actual character development. Sorry for the long rant. Thoughts?

[Saturn830]

bluesky66621 a écrit :

Those who think hate breeds nothing are doomed and you dont see them anymore. The ancient Greeks learned this lesson.

Wut? Classical Greek civilization didn't collapse because they were pacifists; they kept fighting each other so much they became weakened to outside conquest.

[bluesky66621]

Saturn830 a écrit :

bluesky66621 a écrit :

Those who think hate breeds nothing are doomed and you dont see them anymore. The ancient Greeks learned this lesson.

Wut? Classical Greek civilization didn't collapse because they were pacifists; they kept fighting each other so much they became weakened to outside conquest.

And there were many years of peace. So it combination of multiple factors.

[bluesky66621]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

bluesky66621 a écrit :

I would say all the wars since the dawn of time. British Empire, Roman Republic, Civil war, WW1, WW2. The list goes on and on.

Those who think hate breeds nothing are doomed and you dont see them anymore. The ancient Greeks learned this lesson.

There are many examples as human species have a very long and violent past.

Technological, science inventions to name a few that created during and after wars.

And most "creations" during wars were primarily made to kill. Nikola Tesla didn't need any kind of hate nor war to invent everything he did. Einstein was thoroughly disgusted by the use of his research to make the A-bomb. Progress in medicine was made without war making it a necessity. Violence is nothing but needless savagery. We've been given minds to find ways AROUND the obstacle without tearing it down. Only people lazy to think and petty to hate don't bother looking for a peaceful solution.

Edit: The overwhelming amount of known inventors and scientists were known to be humanists and philanthropists. Exceptions exist but they have gone down in history as bad examples.

It seems that you haven't learned history in school or college. Everything you said is false. You know that many of advances came out thought and after the wars. Medicines were also used as a weapon hundreds years prior to modern medicines.

Stop trolling okay.

[The nameless Gamer]

bluesky66621 a écrit :

The nameless Commander a écrit :

And most "creations" during wars were primarily made to kill. Nikola Tesla didn't need any kind of hate nor war to invent everything he did. Einstein was thoroughly disgusted by the use of his research to make the A-bomb. Progress in medicine was made without war making it a necessity. Violence is nothing but needless savagery. We've been given minds to find ways AROUND the obstacle without tearing it down. Only people lazy to think and petty to hate don't bother looking for a peaceful solution.

Edit: The overwhelming amount of known inventors and scientists were known to be humanists and philanthropists. Exceptions exist but they have gone down in history as bad examples.

It seems that you haven't learned history in school or college. Everything you said is false. You know that many of advances came out thought and after the wars. Medicines were also used as a weapon hundreds years prior to modern medicines.

Stop trolling okay.

I did learn history but you seem to want to disparage and discredit me while not naming any examples. What invention from war time serves in civil purposes?

[76561199737472904]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

bluesky66621 a écrit :

If my Grandfather was alive today, he would be roosting in his grave. Today people have no meaning or concept what "racism" means.

Back then being black was enough to get strung up or tortured, that's what racist means.

Back then of course there were no concept of being a bigot when woke tends to levy for the disagreements. It's normal day during grandfather's time. A real bigot would commit acts of violence or extermination of entire species. The nazis were a good example what bigot really means.

It's pretty sad that those words has lost its meaning. I just wished people just stop using these words as none of that above even happening in these forums.

They haven't lost their meaning. Acting badly towards anyone just because of their skin colour is racist. It doesn't matter what you are saying or doing, it's WHY you are saying or doing it. It is free and painless to not be a jerk. Why resent someone just because of a slightly different genetic makeup?

You just don't have a clue, do you. This reasoning of yours doesn't hold up in practice. By that definition, the woke are anti-white racists. But they will say you can only be racist towards oppressed minorities.

And yes the words definitely lost their meaning. I used to take racism seriously. Now I will think "Racism? Yeah right, it's just those crazy woke people again".

[The nameless Gamer]

meow a écrit :

The nameless Commander a écrit :

They haven't lost their meaning. Acting badly towards anyone just because of their skin colour is racist. It doesn't matter what you are saying or doing, it's WHY you are saying or doing it. It is free and painless to not be a jerk. Why resent someone just because of a slightly different genetic makeup?

You just don't have a clue, do you. This reasoning of yours doesn't hold up in practice. By that definition, the woke are anti-white racists. But they will say you can only be racist towards oppressed minorities.

And yes the words definitely lost their meaning. I used to take racism seriously. Now I will think "Racism? Yeah right, it's just those crazy woke people again".

I don't mention SPECIFIC people. I am saying that ANYONE disparaging others based on their skin colour is bad. That includes racism against white/Caucasian people. Don't twist my words.

[76561199737777412]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

meow a écrit :

You just don't have a clue, do you. This reasoning of yours doesn't hold up in practice. By that definition, the woke are anti-white racists. But they will say you can only be racist towards oppressed minorities.

And yes the words definitely lost their meaning. I used to take racism seriously. Now I will think "Racism? Yeah right, it's just those crazy woke people again".

I don't mention SPECIFIC people. I am saying that ANYONE disparaging others based on their skin colour is bad. That includes racism against white/Caucasian people. Don't twist my words.

I am not twisting anything, I am saying that your claim isn't relevant. We aren't talking about "anyone" here. What matters is what it means in practice, not what you think it should mean.

The woke will always go all pedantic and literal when they can use it to dodge an attack. It is trickery.

[The nameless Gamer]

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

The nameless Commander a écrit :

I don't mention SPECIFIC people. I am saying that ANYONE disparaging others based on their skin colour is bad. That includes racism against white/Caucasian people. Don't twist my words.

I am not twisting anything, I am saying that your claim isn't relevant. We aren't talking about "anyone" here.

Neither is any claim here. The "extremely woke" as well as the "anti-woke" are just looking for something to be outraged by. And both groups disgust me. Both seem to be unable to just live and let live and at least TRY to be nice to other people regardless of their genetic makeup.

[76561199737777412]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

I am not twisting anything, I am saying that your claim isn't relevant. We aren't talking about "anyone" here.

Neither is any claim here. The "extremely woke" as well as the "anti-woke" are just looking for something to be outraged by. And both groups disgust me.

That is not even an argument. It is an assumption, a dismissal and a gross simplification. You're saying that to claim that you are better than them. It doesn't contribute anything. If you really are so above all this, then stay out of these discussions.

[The nameless Gamer]

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

The nameless Commander a écrit :

Neither is any claim here. The "extremely woke" as well as the "anti-woke" are just looking for something to be outraged by. And both groups disgust me.

That is not even an argument. It is an assumption, a dismissal and a gross simplification. You're saying that to claim that you are better than them. It doesn't contribute anything. If you really are so above all this, then stay out of these discussions.

If you see it so, fair enough. All I am asking is WHY anyone has to be a jerk to others because of a different skin colour or sexual orientation or whatever other reason people have to discriminate.

Also, you have NO AUTHORITY over me and can't keep me out of any discussion.

[76561199737777412]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

That is not even an argument. It is an assumption, a dismissal and a gross simplification. You're saying that to claim that you are better than them. It doesn't contribute anything. If you really are so above all this, then stay out of these discussions.

If you see it so, fair enough. All I am asking is WHY anyone has to be a jerk to others because of a different skin colour or sexual orientation or whatever other reason people have to discriminate.

Also, you have NO AUTHORITY over me and can't keep me out of any discussion.

Hahaha. I see I pressed your button again. You have touch buttons, you go off when I so much as breathe on them. This "question" of yours is loaded. You have the same worthless attitude as the woke have.

[The nameless Gamer]

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

The nameless Commander a écrit :

If you see it so, fair enough. All I am asking is WHY anyone has to be a jerk to others because of a different skin colour or sexual orientation or whatever other reason people have to discriminate.

Also, you have NO AUTHORITY over me and can't keep me out of any discussion.

Hahaha. I see I pressed your button again. You have touch buttons, you go off when I so much as breathe on them. This "question" of yours is loaded. You have the same worthless attitude as the woke have.

If you want a jester award, at least try to be funny.

[d@v3]

MancSoulja a écrit :

To be fair most Europeans don't want or need the US in NATO. US isn't even capable of protecting itself.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.[www.foreignaffairs.com] wishful thinking on europe's your part.

bluesky66621 a écrit :

Stop trolling okay.

pretty rich coming from the likes of you.

[76561199737777412]

The nameless Commander a écrit :

Clown Syndrome a écrit :

Hahaha. I see I pressed your button again. You have touch buttons, you go off when I so much as breathe on them. This "question" of yours is loaded. You have the same worthless attitude as the woke have.

If you want a jester award, at least try to be funny.

If you want to engage in discussions, at least do some therapy first so you don't fly off the handle over every little thing. If you're lucky, you might even start making sense! Wouldn't that be great.

[Unexpected]

people need to get sleepy again