Why is everything a "woke" conspiracy theory these days?

[Iggy Wolf]

It seems like everything and anything under the Sun gets labeled as "woke" or "DEI". I seriously doubt that there's as much of a push to make anything "woke" as people claim or think there is. Companies are in the business of making money, plain and simple.

To that extent, they tend to expand their customer base as wide as possible. Any claims that they're purposefully "targeting" or emphasizing one group more than another is superfluous, and ignores the more OBVIOUS and reasonable explanation that they're simply casting a wider net and want as many people to buy their product.

Now, if we're talking about specifically and purposefully changing characters or stories in visual or printed media, then I would argue that it's probably not as widespread of a problem as people think. Marvel's MCU might have certainly given that impression.

Hell, Ubisoft's recent fiasco with AC Shadows is pretty controversial. But let's be honest, "wokeness" has been leveled at almost every and any new game coming out, whether it's actually even guilty of being "woke", simply because there's a bunch of people who are paranoid about "woke" in general and start looking for it where it doesn't exist. Let's get something straight.

1: Diversity in itself isn't bad.
2: Token minorities can be insulting, but only because they are underdeveloped and treated as caricatures rather than real people.
3: If a story is bad, then what the characters aren't isn't going to make much of a difference.
And 4: How a character looks (whether they're considered "ugly" or "attractive" is debatable) is usually less related to "woke" and more of a designer/developer choice, and sometimes that choice can plain simply suck.

Which is all irrelevant to whether a game or movie will even be good. If I'm honest, sometimes it comes off more as a bunch of racists/bigots complaining that the world has changed and the new people represented in media and in general are not people these individuals "like". So their own biases and prejudices are coloring their opinion.

Not to say it's always a xenophobic or bigoted reason, but plenty of those people have jumped on the "hate wokeness" bandwagon. Back in the day, if you simply wanted to go ahead and say that a company or person was overemphasizing race, nationality, gender, religion, or creed, you'd simply say they were being "politically correct". It's a less loaded term, and tends to actually criticize actual instances of PC attitudes that were done for brown points rather than actual character development. Sorry for the long rant. Thoughts?

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Iggy Wolf:

That's a bad example, and you know it. Person A didn't exactly specify why they don't like it. They said it's "woke". But they didn't give details as to why it's "woke", so it's left up to interpretation as to what they meant. Person B might not be better for assuming, but they're simply going off their own interpretation of what Person A might have meant. Doesn't mean Person A had a valid point. They could just as well have simply said they don't like the game, without giving a reason. At that point, it's up in the air WHY they don't like it. They didn't give much for people to work with. And I don't mind people having a different interpretation.

That's the point. How people are interpreting something as being "woke" is their OWN interpretation. I'm not the one sure of myself. They are. They assigned a specific definition to their use of the term "woke". They didn't specify it for anyone else. They might as well have called the game "socialist/communist" for all the good it would do. It wouldn't make anymore sense, since people would then ask "how is it socialist/communist"? You don't get to just toss a word at something, expect people to accept it as you define it, and then get mad if people ask for clarification. If anything, you're projecting your attitude on me. And deflecting. You have no argument, but you're glad to call out other people's lack of their own, while not having any of your own. You're either trolling or fishing for attention.

I'm going to stop engaging with you. You simply can't snap out of it. Your first paragraph is decent, and I was going to respond to it at first, but then you go completely off the rails again and throw all kinds of accusations at me. You clearly don't know how to be rational. Which is quite ironic, regarding your recent post about the same.

[Caldari Ghost]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clown Syndrome:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calamari Toast:

what the hell is this logic. is your brain completely ruled by emotion?

Well, yes. That's basically the core of the problem. The woke don't even believe in reason or understand what it is. If you try to explain it to them, they will say "Why should we follow YOUR RULES". Statements like this show that they are very egocentric. They care about what they want, and will weaponize everything to serve that goal.

Instead of reasoning, they rationalize. That's why you will sometimes see woke intellectuals. They aren't stupid, per se, but they are blind to how emotionally motivated they are. If their minds are clever, they can make their rationalizations seem very believable, at least to themselves.

How convenient for OP to provide an example directly above your post. You speak in an attempt to bridge the gap in understanding, while he is just looking for any way to justify calling you a troll or attention seeker to explain away his emotional reaction to your words. pure brainrot.

That kind of thinking is what leads to mob mentality and innocent people getting hurt.

[Iggy Wolf]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clown Syndrome:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Calamari Toast:

what the hell is this logic. is your brain completely ruled by emotion?

Well, yes. That's basically the core of the problem. The woke don't even believe in reason or understand what it is. If you try to explain it to them, they will say "Why should we follow YOUR RULES". Statements like this show that they are very egocentric. They care about what they want, and will weaponize everything to serve that goal.

Instead of reasoning, they rationalize. That's why you will sometimes see woke intellectuals. They aren't stupid, per se, but they are blind to how emotionally motivated they are. If their minds are clever, they can make their rationalizations seem very believable, at least to themselves.

"The woke". Dude, you're literally assigning a "definition", whatever the hell it is, to people you disagree with, and then accuse them of being "emotional". Trying taking your own advice. STOP referring to people by some silly word and actually ADDRESS their points or argument like an adult instead of a child. If you have a point to make, make it.

Say your peace. Prove me wrong that you're not here to simply waste time. No one's "accusing" you of anything. Unless you're getting upset because it is hitting a nerve. Present a "rational" argument, and then someone might actually have something to say in return. Right now, you're the one "name calling" people, and when asked to clarify, acting like you're being attacked for failing to specify what you mean.

[MistyMountainHop]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Iggy Wolf:

STOP referring to people by some silly word and actually ADDRESS their points or argument like an adult instead of a child. If you have a point to make, make it.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Iggy Wolf:

If I'm honest, sometimes it comes off more as a bunch of racists/bigots complaining that the world has changed and the new people represented in media and in general are not people these individuals "like". So their own biases and prejudices are coloring their opinion.

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[VisciousFishes]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Stingray_tm:

The moment some grifter complained, that the new She-Ra, an underage girl, was not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ enough (judged from a picture, where she wore body armor), should have given some of the anti-woke people at least a bit of a pause.

It's all about generating outrage.

That's because anger is a bigger motivator than love. It's also how society has changed because people don't change what they love, only what they hate. Outrage focuses the mind in a way that other emotions don't. So outrage is farmed because it motivates engagement. Outrage leads to tribalism and othering. I call it binary reductionism which is an unintended consequence of digitisation.

Then there's the whole fear thing and we know what Yoda said about fear. "Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate." It's interesting how social media uses these emotions to farm engagement. And it's interesting how we respond to them. Especially in the post-truth era of deep fakes and algorithms designed to keep eyeballs to satisfy advertisers.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Iggy Wolf:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clown Syndrome:

Well, yes. That's basically the core of the problem. The woke don't even believe in reason or understand what it is. If you try to explain it to them, they will say "Why should we follow YOUR RULES". Statements like this show that they are very egocentric. They care about what they want, and will weaponize everything to serve that goal.

Instead of reasoning, they rationalize. That's why you will sometimes see woke intellectuals. They aren't stupid, per se, but they are blind to how emotionally motivated they are. If their minds are clever, they can make their rationalizations seem very believable, at least to themselves.

"The woke". Dude, you're literally assigning a "definition", whatever the hell it is, to people you disagree with, and then accuse them of being "emotional". Trying taking your own advice. STOP referring to people by some silly word and actually ADDRESS their points or argument like an adult instead of a child. If you have a point to make, make it.

Say your peace. Prove me wrong that you're not here to simply waste time. No one's "accusing" you of anything. Unless you're getting upset because it is hitting a nerve. Present a "rational" argument, and then someone might actually have something to say in return. Right now, you're the one "name calling" people, and when asked to clarify, acting like you're being attacked for failing to specify what you mean.

No, I am not upset. Which you should be able to tell by my tone. I am, however, annoyed. Because this is how it always goes. You are all talk about being rational, while exemplifying the opposite. Ignoring my arguments when I give them to you, taking everything personally and coming up with NO U's, and then claiming that I didn't provide them. It's hopeless.

[CrookerSun6000]

Hunter Biden calls everything he doesn't like an ugly prostitute. Hunter Biden detractors call everything they dont like about him an INBRED FEATURE. Cause hes INBRED LIKE A BREAD THATS IN BREAD. Welp. He shouldn't be having sex with hookers and getting diseases. He should be courting a sweetie pie. Like rye on a cry.

[metamec]

The bandwagon effect is real. When complex issues are reduced to slogans, it becomes easier for politicians and talking heads to influence and control their mob.

[Xero_Daxter]

You know the best part about being woke? Going back to sleep.

[Azza ☠]

We need to get rid of the cringe, such as "The New Norm", claiming to be the next South Park on xTwitter (such an insult to South Park) by being anti-woke grift rubbish.

Anti-woke grift is the worst!

It's rated 1.0 out of 10 stars, but should be in the negatives. No one cares for it and no one wants it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqhK8OZY7Q0

Anti-woke is sooooo cringe...

[Silverlight]

Because the word bugs you, people use it.

[Duck Twacy]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clown Syndrome:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Duck Twacy:

The entertainment industry is largely guarded by sociologists trying to keep a lid on social clashes by asking media makers to show people of different stripes in roles most people don't associate them with.

Well that just worked out fantastic, didn't it. Maybe they're doing something wrong. You're not "raising awareness", you're annoying the hell out of people. Isn't going to generate great results.

Well, I didn't make the rules, it was just explained to me with some detective work.

There was a massive concern after the second world war because of fascist and racist rhetoric coming out of Germany, Italy, Spain, and even Japan. And so gradually you saw more and more socially aware films and other media making ordinary Americans and people in the west aware of their own prejudices.

It does get "backhanded" on occasion. I think some Hispanic actress was cast as the blonde in the Fantastic Four movies ... Disney's SW film "The Force Awakens" has the black stormtrooper, which really is puzzling since "stormtroopers" were pre-Nazi German shock troops that were turned into a prize regiment for the Nazi military machine ... so, why you would cast a black actor in the role is beyond me....what, blacks can be militantly racist as well?

When I was in film school it became apparent that the criteria for getting a film green lit and funded was more than just a good story, but something that was seen as socially responsible in the eyes of both the behavioral science community and the medical field (psychiatry; the medical reasons that influence people's behavior).

Propaganda films were heavily used and are blamed for a lot of the amplifying of racist feelings in Europe, which was already heavily antisemitic and racist from previous generations.

Films on't just communicate with the written word, and so it's heavily guarded and policed to prevent people who have anti-social ideas from making media that has an anti-social or irresponsible agenda.

I shrug my shoulders at it. It doesn't bother me, and when it gets tiring I move onto something else.

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Duck Twacy:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Clown Syndrome:

Well that just worked out fantastic, didn't it. Maybe they're doing something wrong. You're not "raising awareness", you're annoying the hell out of people. Isn't going to generate great results.

Well, I didn't make the rules, it was just explained to me with some detective work.

There was a massive concern after the second world war because of fascist and racist rhetoric coming out of Germany, Italy, Spain, and even Japan. And so gradually you saw more and more socially aware films and other media making ordinary Americans and people in the west aware of their own prejudices.

It does get "backhanded" on occasion. I think some Hispanic actress was cast as the blonde in the Fantastic Four movies ... Disney's SW film "The Force Awakens" has the black stormtrooper, which really is puzzling since "stormtroopers" were pre-Nazi German shock troops that were turned into a prize regiment for the Nazi military machine ... so, why you would cast a black actor in the role is beyond me....what, blacks can be militantly racist as well?

When I was in film school it became apparent that the criteria for getting a film green lit and funded was more than just a good story, but something that was seen as socially responsible in the eyes of both the behavioral science community and the medical field (psychiatry; the medical reasons that influence people's behavior).

Propaganda films were heavily used and are blamed for a lot of the amplifying of racist feelings in Europe, which was already heavily antisemitic and racist from previous generations.

Films on't just communicate with the written word, and so it's heavily guarded and policed to prevent people who have anti-social ideas from making media that has an anti-social or irresponsible agenda.

I shrug my shoulders at it. It doesn't bother me, and when it gets tiring I move onto something else.

You shrug your shoulders at it?? You just gave us a very interesting look behind the scenes, and if it is true, it completely blows away the OP's standpoint. I would say it is quite concerning.

[Iggy Wolf]

It's simple. If people use a word enough times, it loses all meaning. It's like when people were overusing the terms "socialist/communist". Not because they were actually criticizing anyone of being just that or on any political grounds, but simply because those people disagreed with them. If everyone is a "communist" and everything's "woke", then NO ONE and NOTHING is. Repeating something without knowing why you're saying it, or what you even mean by it, might as well be fairy dust at that point. It's like that movie Idiocracy.

The main character, Joe, asks the President Cabinet why they're using Brawndo (basically Gatorade) for watering plants. All they can say is "Because it's what plants crave.". They don't know WHY nor do they bother to question it. They just repeat the slogan because that's what they were told. If referring to people as "racist, bigoted, or xenophobic" is "overused", then so is "woke".

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Oprindeligt skrevet af Iggy Wolf:

It's simple. If people use a word enough times, it loses all meaning. It's like when people were overusing the terms "socialist/communist". Not because they were actually criticizing anyone of being just that or on any political grounds, but simply because those people disagreed with them. If everyone is a "communist" and everything's "woke", then NO ONE and NOTHING is. Repeating something without knowing why you're saying it, or what you even mean by it, might as well be fairy dust at that point. It's like that movie Idiocracy.

The main character, Joe, asks the President Cabinet why they're using Brawndo (basically Gatorade) for watering plants. All they can say is "Because it's what plants crave.". They don't know WHY nor do they bother to question it. They just repeat the slogan because that's what they were told. If referring to people as "racist, bigoted, or xenophobic" is "overused", then so is "woke".

I see you've now decided to just ignore EVERYTHING that was said here in order to keep soapboxing your silly ideas. Interesting tactic :P