Recommend PC case with lots of HDD?

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Chenni 2024년 7월 6일 오전 5시 07분

First off, I'm already running two 4TB SN850X from WD.

Now, while I like to game, I also do some media stuff that uses tons off disk space. So got any case to recommend to me that have at the minimum 4 3.5" hdd bays?

These "gaming" cases pretty sure are only targeting the wannabe PC enthusiasts and got no stuff for the real deal. 😆

P.S. NAS isn't an option either, altho a rack form factors are welcome 👍

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Morkonan 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 26분

Chenni님이 먼저 게시:
...These "gaming" cases pretty sure are only targeting the wannabe PC enthusiasts and got no stuff for the real deal...

Whenever I read "Gaming" in front of a PC computer product, I immediately think "flashy" and "unreliable." /shrug I dunno, just me I guess.

I've had a good experience with a server-case by CoolerMaster. Hot-Swap drive bays, mounts for all drive measurements, internal mounts for others, four+ front-bays, depending on the config, a ton of room for your hands to get in there, vents, vents, vents, ports, ports, ports, ports... It's like four feet tall, though. It's also sort of old... So, I doubt its still in production. But, you may get lucky with a follow-up model from them.

Just use "server case" in your searches. "Media," "storage," etc, might work, too. Also, on some distributor's sites, you can filter by your requirements for bays/etc.

I always use PC "Server" type cases in my home-builds. The room, good circulation, usually solid construction, and accessibility, optional bays/etc, is just the kind of thing that adds to QoL needs surrounding a choice of PC case.

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Dutchgamer1982 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 28분

الله أكبر님이 먼저 게시:
HDD is stone age NVME

depends for what.

if you need to do a LOT of reading/writing.. than the higher durability of traditional disks is important.

if you run a datacenter.. than it's a tie between that.. and the less heat and smaller size of ssd (which means more data crammed in less hired space)

Now if you want bulk data.. and are a regulair user.. than there is the fact your motherboard DOES default have like 12 sata connectors but only like 3-5 m.2 slots.

well now lets look at prices :
and upto 18tb they cost just 1.6 cent per GB
20 and 22tb cost 1.7 cent per GB
24tb they cost 1.9 cent per GB

so with 12 sata connectors, you can :
12x 18tb @ 295 euro each = 3540 euro for 216TB of storage
12x 20tb @ 315 euro each = 3780 euro for 240TB of storage
12x 22tb @ 385 euro each = 4620 euro for 264TB of storage
12x 24tb @ 470 euro each = 5640 euro for 288TB of storage
**the speed for disks this size per disk is about 300MB/s which is sadly only halve the speed sata-600 can support.

you cannot beat that kind of volume for that price and for consumers neither the storage
forget m.2 those aint excist that large..

but ok lets look for the true mass storage alternative sata-600 ssd.
yes there are 50000 euro costing 100TB sataSSD likely used by datacenters but good luck finding anybody selling those as consumer those are near impossible to acces.

well than we have 32GB SAS disks.. cost over 10000 euro each... but well those won't really work in consumer hardware who got SAS connectors? and those use 4xPCIe5 lanes.. so were quite limited in how many we can fit even if we use an pciex16 to 4x SAS

ok next step..
Mushkin Source HC 16TB
a true sata-600 ssd but it does cost 2100 euro EACH.
and do note... 16TB IS less than 18TB

so we can NEVER fit as much bulk data in 1 system with ssd on the type of sata-ssd available to consumers let alone when we want actual consumer prices.

if we look friendlier priced :
2TB sata-ssd : 5.2 cent per GB (105 euro each)
4TB sata-ssd : 5.9 cent per GB (235 euro each)
7.68TB sata-ssd :8.9 cent per GB (690 euro each)

now ofcourse while most motherboards only support 12 sata devices natively.. we can stick in an pciex16 to 24xsata3 card..
and aditionally m.2 (pciex4) to 6x saty3 sticks

with tricks like that you can have your system run many many more disks.. provided you mcguiver a case large enough for it...

even if we presume however that most 3.5 slots can alternatively be used to fit 2x2.5 and thus that we can fit 24 sata-ssdd.. unless we go mad with those 16muchkin ssd's... we still won't reach the same density of bulk data as consumer electronics.

and still those ssd's cost a LOT more.

now if you go the m.2 route..
than the best boards only support 7 m.2 slots natively (shared but than you have basicly no lanes left on your pci slots)

alternatively.. you have boards that put the 24 lanes in a duplicator chip (that halve the speed but double the number of the lanes) which gives 48 lanes... they have 5 m.2 slots natively using 24 lanes... 16 lanes shared between pcie1 and pcie2 and 8 lanes split between pcie 3 and 4.. and the 5th pcie slot if used with 4 lanes.. means one of the m.2 slots will run as a sata card (aka slow)

if you buy pciex16 to m.2 cards... you can convert those 4 pciex16 slots each in 4 m.2 slots.
so thats 16 extra for 21 m.2 total. (but if you also want to use a gpu.. with a mounting cable so it will not block slot Pcieslot2..) than you only get 17 m.2

still while m.2 ssd are now cheaper than sata-ssd... not enough to beat the volume and price of traditional hd.

2tb costs 95 euro. (4.7 cent per GB)
4tb costs 220 euro (5.5 cent per GB)
8tb costs 1050 euro (13 cent per GB)
and beyond this you will need cables as while they use the m.2 slot they are basicly 2.5 inch but with a cable to an m,2 connector instead an sata connector. and prices soar badly..

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Dutchgamer1982 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 30분

so tldr version :

traditional disks still offer a price per GB that is a THIRD of that of m.2 and a QUARD of sata-ssd.
while also offering a potential max amount of bulk data for regulair consumers that cannot be beaten.

the only sata- ssd that will beat in per connector traditonal disks.. also costs imediatly so insanely much.. that they aint really an option for consumers.

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Dutchgamer1982 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 39분

and well quite simply if you also want a gpu in the system...

you get that 7950x3D.. with 24 lanes..
and a motherboard that has the said layout
24 lanes -> doubling chip to make 48 -> 16 to pcie1&pci2 (shared) 8 to pcie3&4 (shared)
4 to pcie5 OR m.2, and 4 each to the other 4 m.2

than you stick a gpu in pcie1

and in pcie 2, 3 and 4 each pciex16 to 24sata3
and stick ONE m.2 ito run your os. and m.2 to 6sata3 in the other m.2 slots

than you have added 96!! sata slots to your 12 of your motherboard.. for a total of 108.
if you mcguiver some megacase to run all that.. you have basicly a gamingrig that can run 108 of those 18tb hd.,

can't beat that with ssd not in storage not in price.

ofcourse you would need quite a lot of power connector splitters.... but as each drive only needs about 5w.. with enough splitters powering such a megalomania amount of disks on a gaming board again still is possible.

now if you go xeon/treadripper than your gaming performance crashes... but well than you can add TRUELLY insane amount of disks on just 1 board with those converter cards.

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ナルゴ 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 40분

At some point, it's better to have a NAS drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap8QrMao0No
Just slot-in your NAS drive disks, then access your 30+ TB of files over the network

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Dutchgamer1982 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 42분

Nargo님이 먼저 게시:
At some point, it's better to have a NAS drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap8QrMao0No
Just slot-in your NAS drive disks, then access your 30+ TB of files over the network

if you just need 30tb.. thats just TWO cheap 18tb traditional hd... can easely fit that in your case. it is when you need 200+ tb.. that you start to need racks and such;l)

if it is important data.. might even buy 4 disks... and sacrifice have your storage for mirrored storage (twice the reading speed + no lost data if 1 disk failes)

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Stormer 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 43분

Don’t have any specific models but lookup workstation or office casing not gaming ones

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Rumpelcrutchskin 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 44분

Corsair 7000D Airflow, six internal 3.5 and three 2.5 mounts. Also good case overall.

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Dutchgamer1982 2024년 7월 6일 오전 9시 44분

Stormer님이 먼저 게시:
Don’t have any specific models but lookup workstation or office casing not gaming ones

depends how much OP needs... I listed multiple cases that can fit 10+ harrdisks.. might be plenty for what OP needs.

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Apollo702 2024년 7월 6일 오후 7시 43분

When they started removing drive bays it wasn't just because they were being trendy and liked taking things away from us.

There are many hidden factors such as heat, vibration and airflow.

For those who have large storage needs the hard drive is the way to go as they have very different fundamentals compared to SSDs. They each have their roles.

I believe that ~2024 that most HDs should be external. If one has professional needs this will become fairly expensive and will involve sometimes complex setups.

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90054321564584560 2024년 7월 6일 오후 7시 50분

I want steel/plastic case panel back. glass is just too heavy for transporting

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Azza ☠ 2024년 7월 6일 오후 8시 06분

Why do you need hard drive space?

What motherboard are you using?

Most newer motherboard will have flat M2 SSD slots, use those if available! I highly recommend Samsung 980 NVMe Internal SSD for those M2 slots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sTtFnq_eo0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UeWMgjwogU

This is why future PC cases won't have many 3.5 inch slots available at all, because you no longer will need them. I still use a Western Digital Black Edition HDD for storage, but only one of them. The rest is M2 SSDs.

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