Why Disney hates Star Wars fans: Pure Narcissism

[Chocobo & Moogle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEKoZMyxis

[Duck Twacy]

If you listen to an interview with George Lucas, Disney asked him to run the corporation after Star Wars' success.

To me it means that Lucas and Disney always had Star Wars going to Disney for a very long time, but Lucas wanted to do other projects before letting go of Lucasfilm.

Disney started out as making making folklore tales from Europe family friendly and adventuresome. It's tried to be "with the times" by embracing and telling a lot of homegrown tales that are socially forward.

That's not a bad thing, but Star Wars' was an adventure in space series, then got more child friendly with each subsequent sequel to the point of losing a lot of core fans. And I think that's where it stands.

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I dunno I still like the Star wars they show, it's nice to see the continued content, I people just get caught up on themselves, there are plenty of children who find Star wars and love it. Entertainments better then ever, if you remember the 80s threw the 90s we had only 3 Star wars movies now in the past 5 years we have nearly a dozen series contents and several movies
It just keeps getting better

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Originally posted by Majestically Awkward:

I dunno I still like the Star wars they show, it's nice to see the continued content, I people just get caught up on themselves, there are plenty of children who find Star wars and love it. Entertainments better then ever, if you remember the 80s threw the 90s we had only 3 Star wars movies now in the past 5 years we have nearly a dozen series contents and several movies
It just keeps getting better

Disney continues to show they don't care about the opinions of the fans who watch their content.

[Scurrybt]

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

If you listen to an interview with George Lucas, Disney asked him to run the corporation after Star Wars' success.

To me it means that Lucas and Disney always had Star Wars going to Disney for a very long time, but Lucas wanted to do other projects before letting go of Lucasfilm.

Disney started out as making making folklore tales from Europe family friendly and adventuresome. It's tried to be "with the times" by embracing and telling a lot of homegrown tales that are socially forward.

That's not a bad thing, but Star Wars' was an adventure in space series, then got more child friendly with each subsequent sequel to the point of losing a lot of core fans. And I think that's where it stands.

To be honest, the original trilogy definitely intended to appeal to all audiences as a swashbuckling adventure. It was only after the prequel trilogy that Star Wars started get more serious and nuanced in its symbolism and lore.

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I mean what real opinions, it's a show, when did entertainment become critical, back when they made Star wars it was model ships and some pretty bad acting, now it's full of CGI and some compelling stories,

[Duck Twacy]

Originally posted by Scurrybt:

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

If you listen to an interview with George Lucas, Disney asked him to run the corporation after Star Wars' success.

To me it means that Lucas and Disney always had Star Wars going to Disney for a very long time, but Lucas wanted to do other projects before letting go of Lucasfilm.

Disney started out as making making folklore tales from Europe family friendly and adventuresome. It's tried to be "with the times" by embracing and telling a lot of homegrown tales that are socially forward.

That's not a bad thing, but Star Wars' was an adventure in space series, then got more child friendly with each subsequent sequel to the point of losing a lot of core fans. And I think that's where it stands.

To be honest, the original trilogy definitely intended to appeal to all audiences as a swashbuckling adventure. It was only after the prequel trilogy that Star Wars started get more serious and nuanced in its symbolism and lore.

I think that nuanced approach is Disney's attempt to put their stamp "the Mouse" on the SW property.

I'm not a fan. Back in the late 80s I had a job offer at ILM, and I was going to work there for a year or two to get pointers before doing my own projects, but what I ... discovered since then was that Star Wars is pretty basic law enforcement stuff. Vader-Luke law enforcement drama, and some reminding of the past and what might happen as we reach out to the moon and beyond.

Eh ... the reason we're debating this is because the powers that be way back in the 70s dumped a lot of money and craftsmanship into the first two Star Wars' films, and then Jedi got a pat on the head for being the round up to the tail.

What irritates and bothers me is that the first two Star Wars' films showed that the scifi genre and audience was alive and well, and wanted more, but we got junk like Battle Beyond the Stars or Ice Pirates, and the reason Lucas's films got so much support is because of a lot of sociology.

Okay, fine, but films are generated not just from pure marketing data, but from percieved sociological needs and agendas. And Disney, as it makes films that reach out to more cultures and social groups, also has their "character on the verge of a smile" film making techniques. And that really doesn't gybe with an adventure in space situation.

If I go back to the industry this year ... a BIG IF ,,, then I'll reintroduce some of what made the likes of SW and Empire and other films like the Alien or Aliens and other good scifi films successful.

When I first saw Star Wars I was sure that more of the same was coming, but I was wrong. Instead we got half baked stuff like Larsons BSG and his take on Buck Rogers, and a number of other films and TV shows that just disappointed.

There's reasons for that, and it goes beyond pure marketing, but the perspectie that film and TV need to be well guarded against talented people with social agendas. And that's why Star Wars and Empire were so successful way back when, and why Disney fodder is luke warm at best (no pun intended with the "luke" thing).

I could say more, but I don't want to tip my hand here. Hollywood, London, New York, Paris and Tokyo or major sociology centers because of the film industry, and that's why movie sequels tend to disappoint after the first film.

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It's the same reason they hate the Dali Llama.

[Pocahawtness]

Disney is a company. It will respond to it's customers or it will go out of business.

We are not in possession of their financial information so we don't really know whether their agenda works or not.

In the "land of the free", isn't that for them to decide, not us?

[Mr. Tex]

The only reason Disney are doing Star Wars content is to spread socio-political agendas, the Star Wars franchise is just a vehicle used to carry this propaganda, like a tick carrying a virus. It's just one of many franchises being used in this way.

They seem to be doing well enough to stay afloat though, ... or they are getting compensated for their losses by the Soros foundation, BlackRock, and similar left-wing organizations.

[Dracoco OwO]

Star Wars was never good to begin with and it just got worse without George Lucas.

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by Thanos:

Why Disney hates Star Wars fans: Pure Narcissism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxEKoZMyxis

Not a fan of SnarkyJ, but I often agree with her opinions. I went ahead and watched this one. Once again, she is right. Disney doesn't make the product for fans. Instead, they just try to check as many diversity boxes as possible. From the concept, to the writing, to the casting, to the directing, to the advertising. They are trying to please themselves. Then being mad at fans that don't like the product. Narcissism.

[TwisterCat]

Originally posted by AdahnGorion:

Disney have always followed society trends and norms, its just that in this digital age and with globalization, they can´t do that anymore... that is why it backfires... in 10 years from now they will adopt a new strategy.. it takes time to implement that into a conglomerate.

Surely it will be harder this time around. The world's changing quite a bit, socially.

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Well under Disney good stuff have come like Bad Batch, Rebels and the last season of the clone wars, with siege of mandalore I probably regard as the peak of all star wars television including all the movies. Now Dave Filoni have worked under George Lucas and maybe is something of his successor but I don't know.

Sure it may not be the same as pre disney star wars but I never engaged that much in pre disney star wars and can't say I'm that much of a fan of it, things like weak character development that had to be fixed with like the clone wars show (which to me like the best pre-disney television in star wars).

[Jackie Daytona]

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

Disney started out as making making folklore tales from Europe family friendly and adventuresome. It's tried to be "with the times" by embracing and telling a lot of homegrown tales that are socially forward.

That's not a bad thing, but Star Wars' was an adventure in space series, then got more child friendly with each subsequent sequel to the point of losing a lot of core fans. And I think that's where it stands.

An interesting take, but I don't think it's accurate. In the 1980's, Star Wars merch was geared towards children. By the 1990's, the merch was child-like, but aimed more at adult fans. The early 2000's saw a reset with the prequels. Once again focusing on children. However, the adult fans were not forgotten.

The games (outside of the LEGO series) are mostly for adults. Also, the kids that saw the prequels have grown up with Star Wars. And it has aged along with them.

It's how we got things like 'The Mandalorian'. A shockingly adult series. (At least until Disney realized that Grogu merch sold a ton. So much they decided to milk that character for all time.) If I remember correctly? A guy gets cut in half in the first episode. I don't think that's happened since Darth Maul.

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

Originally posted by Scurrybt:

To be honest, the original trilogy definitely intended to appeal to all audiences as a swashbuckling adventure. It was only after the prequel trilogy that Star Wars started get more serious and nuanced in its symbolism and lore.

I'm not a fan. Back in the late 80s I had a job offer at ILM, and I was going to work there for a year or two to get pointers before doing my own projects,

I try to take people at face value. It's the internet. Hard to know if someone is lying or being truthful. But you'd have to prove this for me to believe it. As you are making an incredibly bold claim.

(For example: I was the first U.S. player to open the special box in FF9. Only I didn't record it on video. So, no one believed me. The only evidence was me making the claim on an obscure video game forum around 20 years ago. Which was deleted by mods that called me a liar. I'm being honest, but I can't expect anyone to believe it. As I simply have no proof. Except maybe the memory card. Assuming it still works.)

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

but what I ... discovered since then was that Star Wars is pretty basic law enforcement stuff. Vader-Luke law enforcement drama, and some reminding of the past and what might happen as we reach out to the moon and beyond.

You made that claim in another thread. Classic Star Wars is nothing like a procedural cop drama. Not even close. It's a whimsical fantasy adventure.

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

Eh ... the reason we're debating this is because the powers that be way back in the 70s dumped a lot of money and craftsmanship into the first two Star Wars' films, and then Jedi got a pat on the head for being the round up to the tail.

Actually, a lot of people hated ep6. It's hard to believe you were an adult in the 1980's, but are somehow unaware of this.

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

What irritates and bothers me is that the first two Star Wars' films showed that the scifi genre and audience was alive and well, and wanted more, but we got junk like Battle Beyond the Stars or Ice Pirates,

SciFi didn't die with OG Star Wars. It was followed by Aliens, TNG, and Robocop. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

and the reason Lucas's films got so much support is because of a lot of sociology.

Okay, fine, but films are generated not just from pure marketing data, but from percieved sociological needs and agendas. And Disney, as it makes films that reach out to more cultures and social groups, also has their "character on the verge of a smile" film making techniques.

I've taken multiple art, film, and psychology classes. I don't know what you are talking about.

Rogue One is one of the best Star Wars things ever. It's diverse, and the main character is female. There's a way to do this, and not make it suck.

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

I could say more, but I don't want to tip my hand here. Hollywood, London, New York, Paris and Tokyo or major sociology centers because of the film industry, and that's why movie sequels tend to disappoint after the first film.

You keep saying "sociology". However, I think you are more referring to the political pendulum. Which has swung away from what everything Disney is doing. And they can't seem to accept that reality.

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Well a guy got cut in half in the clone wars off screen which is pretty brutal for a PG show (and that show got a lot of brutality and heavy stuff) although 6 out of 7 seaons are before disney.

Andor is a good and different show and that was made under disney and I think Rouge One was as well, I would like more of that stuff and more like bad batch stuff as well.