Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

Cope as hard as you want. You are still wrong. And always will be.

I'm not the one having an issue with a whole industry no longer appealing my specific tastes.

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Diposting pertama kali oleh KaibaCorp:

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

The "modern audience" doesnt even exist. Hollowwood has been trying desperately to inject normalized lowered standards under the veil of progressiveness or this "modern audience" into the pop culture zeitgeist.
Short term loss for long term gains.
People keep asking "who is this even for?" for a pretty good reason.
Thankfully, most of the og nerds/geeks aren't that stupid.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

You can't spell ignorant without IGN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMY4LwVIypU&t=17s

[Jackie Daytona]

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

'The Sims'? You bring that up? You're just proving my point.

Yes, that you have no idea what you're talking about. That's all. The Sims is one of the best selling franchises of all time. It was also developed by one of the biggest legends in gaming and gamer history--Will Wright. There's no way to dismiss it or the huge female fandom and modders that pushed it to the top. Dismissing it either makes you a contrarian sticking his fingers in his ears and going, "La la la I'm not listening" or a bandwagon jumper who got into gaming really late and is trying to use revisionist history to try to claim gaming as predominantly male.

You can't make a coherent point.

One franchise, stilted towards women, does not mean the gaming space is filled with women. They play a narrow selection of games.

Who cares how many women play 'The Sims'? It's one game. Are women playing RTS? MMORPG? FPS? MOBA? Fighting games? Grand strategy? No, they aren't.

Look, it's totally acceptable to be a woman in the gaming space. But you have to accept that it's mostly men. Otherwise? You are simply in denial of reality.

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh TWPanda77:

Is that you Grandad?

This is not a generational thing. It's cultural. I'm GenX and in the United States,

There is no way you are GenX. Your worldview is far closer to GenZ or millennial.

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

no one gave or continues to give a flip about anything that rage baiters complain about.

Personal opinion.

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

A lot of this "hurrdurr wymmin bad minorities bad" are coming from cultures that can't handle American IPs,

Actually, people just want the primary demographic to be represented positively. As opposed to forcing fringe minorities into products mainly purchased by straight white dudes.

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

which have always been multicultural.

They haven't. This proves you aren't as old as you claim. 2016 was when every form of entertainment went full SJW. 95% of entertainment contains a scene specifically intended to shame men and/or white people.

I refuse to feel bad about my gender or race. If you don't like me because I was born? You're the problem.

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

The biggest rage baiting culture war trolls were Brits and Canadians like Milo Yiannapoulos, Sargon of Akkad and that ♥♥♥♥♥, Jesse Grant, and they were or are under 40. Very few Boomers and GenXers from the United States are flipping gaskets except maybe Matt Stone and Trey Parker.

You're far-left and incapable of accepting opinions contrary to your own. That's all you've said with the above statement.

[Jackie Daytona]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

Cope as hard as you want. You are still wrong. And always will be.

I'm not the one having an issue with a whole industry no longer appealing my specific tastes.

I think the industry should appeal to multiple tastes. However, there's a way to do that. Which is not making AAA games for a niche audience.

Want to sell games? Make them for the widest audience. Not the smallest. It's really that simple.

I don't care if a game is specifically for me. But I'm not the typical gamer. I'm just as likely to play an always online f2p competitive game as an offline single-player game.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

Diposting pertama kali oleh AdahnGorion:

the issue is that "hardcore" gamers don't accept candycrush and other mobile games as games

The real issue is that 'twue gamers' can't stand not being in the spotlight anymore. As gaming has become mainstream they need to gatekeep what once was only theirs. Dismiss "modern audiences" as not true. You can see this process on almost any hobby or fandom that has become mainstream.

Basically little kids not wanting to share their toys.

You just want to denial reality. I give you statistics. Then you respond with: NO WOMEN ARE EVERYWHERE AND YOU JUST HATE WOMEN. No, dude. There just aren't that many women playing online video games. You can lie to yourself all you want. But you're wrong.

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Diposting pertama kali oleh atomicgirl:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

'The Sims'? You bring that up? You're just proving my point.

Yes, that you have no idea what you're talking about. That's all. The Sims is one of the best selling franchises of all time. It was also developed by one of the biggest legends in gaming and gamer history--Will Wright. There's no way to dismiss it or the huge female fandom and modders that pushed it to the top. Dismissing it either makes you a contrarian sticking his fingers in his ears and going, "La la la I'm not listening" or a bandwagon jumper who got into gaming really late and is trying to use revisionist history to try to claim gaming as predominantly male.

Chill out DUDE. My GUY, you need to settle down.

[AustrAlien2010]

It's something that I call "hocus pocus." It's probably part of a marketing campaign.

Imagine you're a kid, you're bored and looking for something to do. You watch a video about a computer game, and the team tells you "it's made for a modern audience."
The kid is a cool kid, not a dusty old kid, but it has never played the old games before, or didn't liked them. The kid wants to believe it's part of a modern audience, because it's looking for entertainment.
The kid buys the game because the kid feels included.

If you say that you make the game for the old fans, almost nobody new will buy it, because almost nobody new or current considers itself the old fans. Or maybe nobody new wants to be associated with a group of dusty old fans. It has to be modern, new, cool, and fresh. All "hocus pocus" words which cannot be taken literally in this context, but are likely to impress.


Long story short:
Any audience is a modern audience. It doesn't make logical sense to create a distinction between an audience and a modern audience, unless whatever opposes a modern audience doesn't exist. In which case you shouldn't have made the distinction in the first place.

Still, you have to be overly overthinking matters to have an issue with this. It's really not a problem to say something like that. On average, people will sort of understand what you're trying to say with it. Even though it doesn't make logical sense.

[Jackie Daytona]

Diposting pertama kali oleh peppermint hollows:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

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In other words, you only consider "gamers" to be people who fit into your very specific definition. This is also convenient as it allows you to argue that your point is correct because a large demographic of people simply don't count as gamers in your argument.

I think a gamer is a gamer. A person that plays games as a hobby.

If I were to go to a friend's house and pull a deck of cards from my pocket? Chances are good that someone would play a game. Does that make everyone there gamers? No, it does not. It's just a bunch of people sitting around playing cards on a Friday night.

The stats would lead you to believe that Grandmas playing bingo (one night per week) are "gamers". They don't buy video games. They don't own consoles. They don't even have modern computers. Including them (Which is how they get so many women in the statistics) is straight-up bogus.

You are being lied to. And instead of objectively looking at the evidence? You stick your head in the sand. Chanting "DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION."

[Tito Shivan]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

I think the industry should appeal to multiple tastes. However, there's a way to do that. Which is not making AAA games for a niche audience.

They're not being made for a niche audience. They're being made for a mainstream one.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

You just want to denial reality. I give you statistics. Then you respond with: NO WOMEN ARE EVERYWHERE AND YOU JUST HATE WOMEN. No, dude. There just aren't that many women playing online video games. You can lie to yourself all you want. But you're wrong.

I gave you the statistics the industry make.

[DxSpark]

"Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid"

Woof Woof, right-wing alt-right dog whistle right here people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n__GJuqLb00

[Sek-Raktaa]

Diposting pertama kali oleh TGC> The Games Collector:

Yeah, it's the dumbest thing ever. Nobody wants this crap.

Nobody even knows who this "modern audience" is, clearly they haven't been born yet.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Megalo:

The "modern audience" doesnt even exist.

Hello there.

Allow me to introduce myself:

I am part and belong to the "modern audience" that you speak of and as you can clearly tell by me being here and addressing the both of you: yes, we, the modern audience, do in fact exist.

In my case, I've been existing for some 30+ years.

Anyways, nice meeting you.

Sucks that you can't enjoy video games as much anymore but that's definitely "you" thing.

Have a nice day now.

[Xero_Daxter]

There is no such thing as modern audience. Me and my dad play the same game and we are ages apart.

The father and son duo!!! :D

[Crazy Tiger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

You are being lied to. And instead of objectively looking at the evidence? You stick your head in the sand. Chanting "DIVERSITY, EQUITY, INCLUSION."

"Objectively"? All you've done is talk about how you see certain statistics and utilise your own made up definitions of what is a "gamer". That's anything but "objectively".

All you're doing is sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming "NANA, I CAN'T HEAR YOU BUT MY NUMBERS ARE THE BESTEST!!!!".

"Objectively". LMAO.

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Jackie Daytona:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

I'm not the one having an issue with a whole industry no longer appealing my specific tastes.

I think the industry should appeal to multiple tastes. However, there's a way to do that. Which is not making AAA games for a niche audience.

Want to sell games? Make them for the widest audience. Not the smallest. It's really that simple.

I don't care if a game is specifically for me. But I'm not the typical gamer. I'm just as likely to play an always online f2p competitive game as an offline single-player game.

Diposting pertama kali oleh Tito Shivan:

The real issue is that 'twue gamers' can't stand not being in the spotlight anymore. As gaming has become mainstream they need to gatekeep what once was only theirs. Dismiss "modern audiences" as not true. You can see this process on almost any hobby or fandom that has become mainstream.

Basically little kids not wanting to share their toys.

You just want to denial reality. I give you statistics. Then you respond with: NO WOMEN ARE EVERYWHERE AND YOU JUST HATE WOMEN. No, dude. There just aren't that many women playing online video games. You can lie to yourself all you want. But you're wrong.

Woman make up the majority of gamers.
But I reckom you only think high end PC gaming is actual gaming? or what?
Even in that specturm, its more or less genre based, obvious RPGs, Simulations and Builders will be more popular with the female crowd ratio wise, compared to shooters and strategy.

Most gamers (no matter their ♥♥♥) don´t care about representation however, they just want to play a quality game (good gameplay, good story and so forth, depending on genre)

[AdahnGorion]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Xero_Daxter:

There is no such thing as modern audience. Me and my dad play the same game and we are ages apart.

The father and son duo!!! :D

I mean.. you play niche games (the same as me) The avarage teenager or young adult are not playing HoI4 afterall.. they are playing GTA, CS2, LoL or Fortnite.