Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

[Tito Shivan]

Nguyên văn bởi Jackie Daytona:

As usual, you cherry picked.

Nguyên văn bởi Jackie Daytona:

And anyone that doubts me? Go to Twitch. Select any FPS game. Sort by highest viewership. Males.

Accusing others of cherripicking while cherripicking was something I didn't have on my bingo card for today.

Nguyên văn bởi Auckes:

Whatever happened to "vote with your wallet".

Voting with your wallet means sticking to your guns. And at the end of the day many decide playing the game ranks higher.
It's what happened with the MW2 boycott. People preferred to play the game over giving up dedicated servers.

[kaibarnard]

Yes some games are designed by committee to appeal to everything and they've put the 'game' function as secondary - they're trash and I ignore them

A game can be 'woke' like Baulders Gate 3 - but be a good game

It's when they forget to be a game that it all falls down

Be interesting to see what are the top 3 'modern audience' games in OPs eye....

[Spirit]

Nguyên văn bởi Auckes:

If people are dumb enough to spend money on and even support, a project that doesn't meet their personal "quality standards", then we actually cannot blame the corporate suits.

Whatever happened to "vote with your wallet"?

People over the last many years, "vote" extremely questionably. Especially as far as interests go, either personal, or communal. Vote wrongly, pass the wrong message, enjoy the consequences and complications that ensue... It's just that simple.

Bottom line: "If you nag about something yet still you buy it, it is neither the product's fault nor the vendor's, but your very own lack of self restraint".

most people don't think at all. they are the "modern audience". things are always better when not mainstream

[Caldari Ghost]

create a demand where there isnt one to make things more predictable and stable.

[40000Aggro]

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Nguyên văn bởi MistyMountainHop:

The people that actually buy and play games are the ones you're reeeeing about.

Only wokies ever REEEEE. Stop stealing everything from the other side and corrupting it.

Do you two refer to men and women as alphas and sigmas?

[atomicgirl]

Nguyên văn bởi Jackie Daytona:

Do women play games? Absolutely. But female gamers are rare. Because gamers play as a hobby or sport.

Female gamers are rare? WTF are you talking about? It was female gamers that made The Sims franchise one of the best selling PC games of all time, and they didn't just play the game but mod it, too.

Maybe you think females are rare because they're not the kind of losers who've made a lifestyle out of gaming and put themselves out there as livestreamers and esports competitors.

[atomicgirl]

Nguyên văn bởi LakeSplashingReader:

Nguyên văn bởi ghost:

Only wokies ever REEEEE. Stop stealing everything from the other side and corrupting it.

Do you two refer to men and women as alphas and sigmas?

They probably do. Social rejects love creating their own insider language to refer to the outside world, sort of like The Silent Twins.

[Dracoco OwO]

Modernizing games isn't a bad idea, if it's done mechanically, tons of old games were glitched or broken in some way in the systems of it or other aspects, modern AAA gaming is bound to be overated low effort garbage because it's what sells.

Just make the distinction at least.

[Vince ✟]

Gamers must be some of the most fickle and hard to please consumer groups.

I cannot imagine what it must be like, attempting to navigate a gauntlet of unforseen cancelings, hate groups, and boycotting, all with no crystal ball to predict the ever changing nature of the adolescent mind that eternally represents the largest percentage of potential profits in the group.

From an indie perspective it's far different, I'd assume. Solo indie devs, keep following your passions and ideas. Go outside the box and don't conform under pressure. We love you.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi Tito Shivan:

Nguyên văn bởi Jackie Daytona:

As usual, you cherry picked.

Nguyên văn bởi Jackie Daytona:

And anyone that doubts me? Go to Twitch. Select any FPS game. Sort by highest viewership. Males.

Accusing others of cherripicking while cherripicking was something I didn't have on my bingo card for today.

Nguyên văn bởi Auckes:

Whatever happened to "vote with your wallet".

Voting with your wallet means sticking to your guns. And at the end of the day many decide playing the game ranks higher.
It's what happened with the MW2 boycott. People preferred to play the game over giving up dedicated servers.

There are many examples on the opposite as well.
Often its when you focus on the wrong target audience or the game just have plain poor quality.
A few studios that made AA and AAA titles have ceased to exist because of this.

As for the modern audience.. its a weird debate, that I don´t understand, I rather use the mainstream audience, as that makes more sense.

[Dracoco OwO]

Nguyên văn bởi MD:

Gamers must be some of the most fickle and hard to please consumer groups.

I cannot imagine what it must be like, attempting to navigate a gauntlet of unforseen cancelings, hate groups, and boycotting, all with no crystal ball to predict the ever changing nature of the adolescent mind that eternally represents the largest percentage of potential profits in the group.

From an indie perspective it's far different, I'd assume. Solo indie devs, keep following your passions and ideas. Go outside the box and don't conform under pressure. We love you.

It's really not that hard even formulaic games likes Final Fantasy can succeed but i entirely stopped this series as the quality been degrading basically since FF XV (peoples argue FFX but it's still okayish) (few peoples got into FF XIII because it was ps3 exclusive for too long).

But then you gave games like Monster Hunter games that always deliver what the fans exactly wants, plenty of western gaming companies also dropped the ball pretty hard or just died like the company that used the make fable games despite the fact Fable is highly anticipated, they just got bankrupt due to lack of new games or other games not working out, formulaic stuff like Call of Duty or Fifa will never die but you can't expect me to ever buy these, it's complicated.

[AdahnGorion]

Nguyên văn bởi JustSomeLego:

Well, yeah. The point of games is to make money. You aren't going to do that by catering to some niche crowd of 40 year olds who grew up with dos.

The avarage PC gamer is like 38 years old.

[Zilkenian Davenport]

Yeah, that's basically it.
Not all old games were good even in their time, and not all new games are bad.

It's all about a story that's told correctly, not to pander to certain people. That's how you make it timeless.

[tmwfte]

Yeah! If it's not something that runs on my Atari 2600, I don't want it.

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

Anytime the term "modern audience" gets tossed around in an article or interview, I see it as a big red flag.