Games made for a "modern audience" are stupid

[Chocobo & Moogle]

Let's pander to a specific group of people to make the game better. The fanbase doesn't matter.

[Tazor]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Tazor původně napsal:

I only care if it is a game that tries to be realistic or authentic. Like Battlefield V.

Battlefield games / Realism

Pick one.

It did try to be authentic once. Battlefield 1942 and 2 nailed it. Bad Company 2 Vietnam was also amazing. Battlefield 1 was the last one that tried to have historical authenticity. It did have some questionable choices (worse than Battlefield 4 in terms of authenticity) but it wasn't a neon pink mess like modern Battlefield 2042 or a woke agenda like Battlefield V.

[Tito Shivan]

Tazor původně napsal:

It did try to be authentic once. Battlefield 1942 and 2 nailed it.

They've never been realistic games. They've always been arcade games, not simulators.

BF V and I were bashed because of the same reason every other AAA game has been bashed. Because ragebaiters have to eat too.

[Tazor]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Tazor původně napsal:

It did try to be authentic once. Battlefield 1942 and 2 nailed it.

They've never been realistic games. They've always been arcade games, not simulators.

BF V and I were bashed because of the same reason every other AAA game has been bashed. Because ragebaiters have to eat too.

I don't think you understand the difference between realistic and authentic.

Realistic refers to things like ballistics, armor penetration, damage simulation, fatigue simulation, fuel simulation etc.

Authentic refers to how believable the game world is. Not straying from the real history of what you are copying. Using actual equipment and actual soldiers from that era. Battlefield V is not authentic because I see Japanese women in France fighting for the Germans. Because I see some old German guy in a blue parade uniform from World War 1 fighting for the Japanese on Iwo Jima.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

What even is a "modern audience"?

Aren't we all modern? Why aren't they make games for the "future audience" or even the "past audience"? What about those medieval peasants? Where is their game?!

[Sek-Raktaa]

Tazor původně napsal:

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Battlefield games / Realism

Pick one.

It did try to be authentic once. Battlefield 1942 and 2 nailed it. Bad Company 2 Vietnam was also amazing. Battlefield 1 was the last one that tried to have historical authenticity.

I think you're confusing "historical authenticity" with "historical accuracy". Both aren't the same thing.

Authenticity merely describes the coat of paint that is slapped on top of everything and from that perspective, every Battlefield set in a historical period has been very authentic.

Historically accurate isn't any of the games however because a lot of historical accuracy is being sacrificed for the sake of gameplay.

Whether you like the game or not but Battlefield V is very authentic for the simple reason that you don't have any X-Wings flying around or Battlemechs walking around.

Everything looks like it belongs into that time period so... authentic.

Most of the stuff doesn't work like it did in real life but that's "historical accuracy" and as I said: a lot of that gets sacrificed in favor of gameplay.

Especially the way that weapons behave and function in the game is sometimes very different from how it was IRL.

[Tazor]

Sek-Raktaa původně napsal:

Everything looks like it belongs into that time period so... authentic.

I just said there is an old German guy in a blue parade uniform from World War 1 on Iwo Jima for example. That doesn't belong on the front lines. Let alone in World War 2.

Wrong time. Wrong gear. Wrong location. Just as out of place as an AK-47.

[Sek-Raktaa]

Tazor původně napsal:

Sek-Raktaa původně napsal:

Everything looks like it belongs into that time period so... authentic.

I just said there is an old German guy in a blue parade uniform from World War 1 on Iwo Jima for example. That doesn't belong on the front lines. Let alone in World War 2.

Wrong time. Wrong gear. Wrong location. Just as out of place as an AK-47.

No

first of all, the game falls under "fiction" from the very start so a lot of complains are made void by that alone.

second: old WW1 german parade uniforms are still things that existed during WW2, even if they were just collecting dust and eaten by moths in closets, while an AK-47 is something that didn't exist during WW2, so your comparison/analogy kinda falls apart there.
Having an old german guy in a WW1 parade uniform on Iwo Jima may be outlandish but hey, that's what fiction is and this isn't the most outlandish thing I've seen in a game set during WW2.

third: the germans had foreign nationals, including asians, fighting in Wehrmacht uniforms, just google Yang Kyoungjong. So this is something that actually happened.
Sure, the game is just taking this event and cranking it up to 11 to have fun with it but the game is a piece of fiction so: no problem.

It would also, by the way, be perfectly valid to have Longbows and British Swords as available weapons because of Mad Jack Churchill.
To my knowledge though, so far the series hasn't done that yet. Which is kind of a shame.
Imagine how cool it would be to shoot Nazi's with a Longbow just like Mad Jack Churchill did.

[AdahnGorion]

Tazor původně napsal:

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Battlefield games / Realism

Pick one.

It did try to be authentic once. Battlefield 1942 and 2 nailed it. Bad Company 2 Vietnam was also amazing. Battlefield 1 was the last one that tried to have historical authenticity. It did have some questionable choices (worse than Battlefield 4 in terms of authenticity) but it wasn't a neon pink mess like modern Battlefield 2042 or a woke agenda like Battlefield V.

They are not authentic, nor realistic, they are pretty much arcade shooters.

[Crazy Tiger]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

you do know that catering isn't a zero-sum game, right?

The irony is it actually is a zero sum game for them.

Yep. It's the "us vs them" mentality. Apparently the world is black & white and there are no shades of grey inbetween. Yet the vast majority of people are in the grey area. steamfacepalm:

To further that "us vs them" they manipulate statistics and present unrealistic views on audiences and demographics to try and create sticks to swing with. It's bollocks and based on views that are so outdated they start to preceed even us old timers.

[Jackie Daytona]

AdahnGorion původně napsal:

Jackie Daytona původně napsal:

I'm not opposed to either of those. My problem is the way in which it is done.

Gay character in a story? Actively shows a homosexual relationship. All that's fine.

Put pride flags all over your game? Make all the characters gay/bi/pan/ambiguous? Make over 50% of important characters female for no other reason than they are female? That's just checking boxes.

That has nothing to do with DEI.
You seem confused about that it means and how its implemented.

That has everything to do with DEI.

You are clearly disingenuous, insulting, terse towards nuanced explanations, and do not believe in facts. Therefore, must be trolling. I can come to no other conclusion.

[Jackie Daytona]

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

The irony is it actually is a zero sum game for them.

Yep. It's the "us vs them" mentality. Apparently the world is black & white and there are no shades of grey inbetween. Yet the vast majority of people are in the grey area. steamfacepalm:

To further that "us vs them" they manipulate statistics and present unrealistic views on audiences and demographics to try and create sticks to swing with. It's bollocks and based on views that are so outdated they start to preceed even us old timers.

Most people buying comics are male.
Most people going to comic book movies are male.
Most people playing games are male.

Proof? Top gaming streamers are male. Top YouTuber gamers are male.

Top female streamers? Most of them hardly play games. And most aren't playing competitive.

Jump through whatever mental hoops you want. This is reality. Not lies. Not manipulations.

As far as comics? Well known it's mostly male. Go to any comic-con. The crowds are mostly male.

Comic book movies? The data exists on that, too.

[Tito Shivan]

Jackie Daytona původně napsal:

Most people buying comics are male.
Most people going to comic book movies are male.
Most people playing games are male.

Proof? Top gaming streamers are male. Top YouTuber gamers are male.

Top female streamers? Most of them hardly play games. And most aren't playing competitive.

Jump through whatever mental hoops you want. This is reality. Not lies. Not manipulations.

As far as comics? Well known it's mostly male. Go to any comic-con. The crowds are mostly male.

Comic book movies? The data exists on that, too.

Keep banging against that wall all you want.

[Jackie Daytona]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Jackie Daytona původně napsal:

Most people buying comics are male.
Most people going to comic book movies are male.
Most people playing games are male.

Proof? Top gaming streamers are male. Top YouTuber gamers are male.

Top female streamers? Most of them hardly play games. And most aren't playing competitive.

Jump through whatever mental hoops you want. This is reality. Not lies. Not manipulations.

As far as comics? Well known it's mostly male. Go to any comic-con. The crowds are mostly male.

Comic book movies? The data exists on that, too.

Keep banging against that wall all you want.

It's easy to troll.

Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

Show me the top female Twitch streamer beating out everyone.

Show me a comic-con with over 50% women in one of the ballroom audiences.

I dare you.

Here's my proof you are completely wrong:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Evolution_Championship_Series_champions

Where are all the women? Didn't you say women make up most gamers? Where are they? Can you show me? I can't seem to find them.

Looks like less than 10% of top 4 finishers in EVO have been women. 20 years of stats. Beat that.

Still need more? Here's the PUBG Mobile competition:

https://static.invenglobal.com/upload/image/2022/11/15/i1668473358785754.jpeg

Where are the women? Where are they Tito? Why can't you explain yourself?

Where's this modern audience? I can't find it.

And yet more. Here's an image from SanDiego ComicCon:

https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/954090b/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4532x3081+0+0/resize/1200x816!/quality/80/?url=https:%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F96%2F8e%2F3c8b047d4647859bce81b43c2536%2F1163257-sd-comiccon-sunday-004.jpg

It's like 90% fat dudes.

The "modern audience" is a myth. Which is perpetuated by people like you. Because you can't accept the reality that men and women like different things.

[Tito Shivan]

Jackie Daytona původně napsal:

Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

Done it multiple times in this thread.
I can only lead a horse to water.

[Jackie Daytona]

Tito Shivan původně napsal:

Jackie Daytona původně napsal:

Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

Done it multiple times in this thread.
I can only lead a horse to water.

No, you did not.

You quoted statistics. Which I refuted. (Multiple times.) Which you ignored.

Grandmas playing 1 hour of Candy Crush per week are not gamers. Because if they are? Everyone is a gamer, and there are no lines.