Alcohol is a Hard Drug

[Haiku's Knife]

In most societies, we have this misconception that it's acceptable to consume alcohol as long as it's in "moderation". Except, alcohol has actually been proven to not be safe "in moderation". Even a single beverage is harmful and damages your brain. This is because alcohol is what's referred to as a neurotoxin. It destroys brain matter, even in small amounts:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8625009/
"Taken together, these studies highlight that there is no protective effect of light drinking (e.g., 1–<7 drinks per week) over abstinence and in fact show, similar to alcohol dependence though to a lesser degree, that any level of alcohol consumption can affect brain volume and white matter microstructure."

People regularly make a spectacle of opiates and fentanyl, yet alcohol has caused far more damage cumulatively over human history and will continue to because it is socially acceptable and thus the majority turns a blind eye to it. Alcohol plays a significant role in a significant portion of crimes and accidents and yet the perpetrators are always held in a state of total responsibility while those that produce, distribute and encourage the garbage are free of any blame when they are the ones significantly at fault.

Consuming alcohol is a degenerative activity. It's not classy and it's not cultured. A bar is little better than a crack house or an opium den. Just as nobody says it's OK to hit the crack pipe "in moderation", it should be that we view any amount of recreational alcohol consumption as a crime against the self. I'm not saying alcohol should be illegalized, but it should be viewed at the very least as a hard drug and its usage as unwelcome and degenerative.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/2023/03/31/moderate-drinking-alcohol-wine-risks/
https://www.healthline.com/health/does-alcohol-kill-brain-cells
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3860462/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2802963?utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_term=033123

[Freqsync]

Ever eaten raw anything without it being sugar coated. That's definitely just as dangerous as being sugar coated.

Alchohol sugar coated yeast aged a year and day. Used to scrape the bottom of the pan of all those lil bits of good ness to add back into the beef stew.

interaction for father and son to understand the virtue of cylinder craft to contain most goods to arrive at there next destination unharmed.

Cereal is then dangerous.
And we would run vehicles on milk.

[Breathe]

Dehydration's a killer.

[Rabblevox]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Breathe:

Dehydration's a killer.

It is indeed. Drink enough plain water that you're peeing frequently and light yellow to almost clear. Heat kills more people than all other weather deaths combined. Seek shade and drink water, it's going to be brutal this weekend for a lot of us.

[atomicgirl]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Haiku's Knife:

None of this invalidates alcohol being a hard drug. You can use hard drugs in low frequency.

Of course it does. Contrarianism is not a magic bullet you can use to dispel facts or reality.

And the more you argue, the more you expose yourself as someone who's made up their own rules and definitions of what social drinking or hard drugs are, as opposed to what they are in real life.

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Haiku's Knife:

It is hard drug use. You're just building a strawman around the people that don't do it enough to create large, noticeable effects. If you only smoke crack once a year, you're still engaging in hard drug use, just at a low frequency. The same thing applies to alcohol.

Again, contrarianism isn't a magic bullet, nor is throwing around accusations of illogical fallacies like "straw man". The whole point of studying Logic and Debate is to learn how to make effective arguments without making fallacies or how to avoid getting trapped by them when they're made by other people, not to make lazy arguments yourself and start attacking others as committing them. That's not how Logic and Debate works.

I didn't set up any straw man, by the way. I'm exposing the origin of this "social drinking is just as bad as hard drugs" argument. It was invented by the pro-drugs lobby in the 1960s and 70s to call out the older generation for being hypocrites for wanting to ban pot, cocaine and other hard drugs. That's why it's invalid. Every idea gets its start somewhere. That argument about alcohol=hard drugs started with that lobby. It's a form of whataboutism.

Now if you had said something more rational like excessive alcohol abuse can have as bad an effect as hard drugs, that would be a different story.

[Xero_Daxter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackBloodRum:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xero_Daxter:

Imagine being over 21 and still being irresponsible. Over 10,000 people die a year due to drunk driving. 10,000 people!!! That’s like… an entire town of people.

You can drink without harming people, you know. :steamlaughcry:

Yet it happens all the time, sadly.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

So is soda a drug? Maybe those koolaid packs some soft drugs?

[Xero_Daxter]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

So is soda a drug? Maybe those koolaid packs some soft drugs?

I wouldn’t be surprised if McDonald’s Fries comes with a hint of crack because those Fries are addicting.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xero_Daxter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

So is soda a drug? Maybe those koolaid packs some soft drugs?

I wouldn’t be surprised if McDonald’s Fries comes with a hint of crack because those Fries are addicting.

Should try dipping your McDonald's fries into Wendy's frosty that like having crack on Wine.

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โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xero_Daxter:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Dr.Shadowds 🐉:

So is soda a drug? Maybe those koolaid packs some soft drugs?

I wouldn’t be surprised if McDonald’s Fries comes with a hint of crack because those Fries are addicting.

Dip your mcdonalds french fries in their bbq suace you will never use ketchup again.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย R.I.P. Willie Mays:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xero_Daxter:

I wouldn’t be surprised if McDonald’s Fries comes with a hint of crack because those Fries are addicting.

Dip your mcdonalds french fries in their bbq suace you will never use ketchup again.

HONEY MUSTARD BBQ SAUCE LET GO CHAT!

[Rabblevox]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย R.I.P. Willie Mays:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Xero_Daxter:

I wouldn’t be surprised if McDonald’s Fries comes with a hint of crack because those Fries are addicting.

Dip your mcdonalds french fries in their bbq suace you will never use ketchup again.

Boring! McFries should be dipped in a strawberry milkshake. That is the highest (in both senses) use for them. Nom nom nom!

[Freqsync]

Apple fritters made with honey beers so there is a better batter. Want to make this into a tongue twister. yet its not.

I will agree side effects are available. Best to test on the nearest surface prior to ingesting. Like cotton candy if it begins to dissolve immediately that might be your brain if it ends up hardening well.....

course can use on tip of finger or lock of hair or wooden stool or under shoe if it cleans it probably not good for anything then a tummy ache...mweheheheh

[𝙈𝙚𝙜𝙖𝙡𝙤]

I drink pretty often.

[kaibarnard]

If nicotine or alcohol was discovered for the 1st time today they'd be class A or B drugs....

[Dutchgamer1982]

this again? no it is not.

a hard drug is a substance that created a dependency even with 1 use

basicly if I can capture you against your will and force just a little of it on you againt your will you now will be instantly a junky who will prostitute, steal and murder just to get another fix.


alcohol does not do this.

another defenition for a hard drug is a fysical dependency.. even if the above mental dependency is not there.. if I give you a little of it even against your will.. your body will go in shock (possibly even deadly) out of sudden withdraw if not weened off of it.
again alcohol does not do this.. even the most severe drunkards can be tossed in a cell without alchol with zero such effects.

now if you purely look at mind altering effect IN THE MOMENT (how incapitating/will influencing/trance inducing is the substance, aka how far are you from being sober and of sound mind... than yes alchol has a strong effect.

if you look at damage to the body.. how much permanent damage does it leave.. than alchol once again is mild.. you need to use quite excessively much for permanent damage.. your body can handle 2 beers a day just fine...

I barely drink (under 2 units of alcohol a month) and I never have been drunk or intoxicated in my life.. ever.. always been below the legal driving limit.
if alcohol was a harddrug one could not "recreationally" use it... in such moderate amount.. as it would like any harddrug spiral out of contol fast.

by far the MOST alcohol consumers consume moderately.. though anybody who ever gets drunk I would already consider problematic most people I know only have been drunk once in their life many even never..

sure there do excist alcoholics, true drunkards.. but often those have other issues and try to "drink away their problems" aka drink to forget. and such people will indeed very hard come off it.
but while an adiction it is no more a drug than anything from food to cleaning your house to anything imaginable.. it is a mental disorder to be an alcoholic.. and the source lies in the mind..
just as a depressed person even when cured must watch out not to be tempted to jump again.. or that fatty who lost weight cause she stopped eating away her emotions but faced them..
so must an alcholic watch out... and yes recovered alcoholics better not even take 1 sip of alcohol just as that fatty better not take a single bite of alchol or that suicidal person allow 1 little cut..
but that link is made with psychology.. not cause the thing itself is a drug.
cause facing your problems and emotions is hard.. and you have conditioned youself in an easy way out.. flee rather than fight your problems..