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Ukraine doesn't seem interested in negotiations. They could have prevented it all in the first place but NATO whispered promises of money and weapons into their ear and here we are. So long as we keep enabling them, Ukraine will keep going until every male Ukrainian is dead. Their leadership doesn't care, they're being paid off.
So by your logic if someone breaks into your house, kills one of your family and steals a chunk of your belongings you should then negotiate and as part of that negotiation let them walk away with your stuff and be allowed to walk away without conflict after killing your family?
That is called SURRENDER, not negotiation. A negotiation would involve Russia giving back what they took, instead Russia wants to keep everything and they pinky promise that this will be the last time they steal more of their stuff....
Whenever you are on the narrative side of the brave Ukrainians rebelling against the handpicked gov of ukraine full of nazis OR the "little green mens were present since day minus 10" ...
... that does NOT change that the whole Ukrainian Gov, with two (or 3 ?) presidents, could NOT abide by Miisk agrrements or cease-fires. A whole gov could say to its troop "ok boys, we are trying diplomacy, mine your positions for them not to be overtaken ... and step back 5 kilometers to be sure NOT to be in range for firing or being fired at".
We are talking about two regions that tried to hold on and become independant taking up arms, not two regions trying to invade the whole of Ukraine.
Thus, the Ukrainian Gov IS to be blamed - along the rebellious regions, sure - but more than them, in the 60 versus 40 percent :p. You even looked at the leaders of the rebelion ? A bunch of literal rednecks : one warlord, three old commie literal mommies but without the bandages, and a religious nutjob; all laughtable in their own manner. Those were the "politicians" leaders of the Donbass during 8 years. En face : a State Gov with all the tools a sovereign gov had. That could do a simple cease fire proper.
But arguably, put more and more oil in the fire instead ...
So, no, your house thing is really a bad faith argument. Try better, i know you can muster it.
Edit : Btw, are you at least aware that one the two points Putin spouted at the beginning ? Demilitarisation. In any way shape or form, it do mean "Ukraine surrenders", please enhance your comprehension skills and context, when you're talking about well-documented things like ... that.
Except its not falacious, they invaded a soveriegn country MULTIPLE times now, each time they steal their land, their resources and murder their troops, and when they face resistance they want to negotiate, but their requirements to negotiate is they get to keep everything they illegally took and THIS time they PROMISE it will be the last time they take their stuff.
Russia's condition to negotiate has always been they get to keep all the land they stole. That is not negotiating, that is asking ukraine to surrender
Gotta hope so.
To your argument : count the number of wars from 1991 of both the USA and Russia, and tell me which is the biggest threat ?
I seriously do NOT understand how, in the free and democratic america, the Neocons are free. They are at the heart of EVERY american war since Afghanistan. They were pushing and fostering wars at every turn and opportunity. Why are they still not in trial for lots of crimes ? Seriously. They are a threat to worldwide stability AND the american reputation, those ravenous beasts.
Just to recall, there were more peace protesters in Russia during the last two years than in the US "whole timelapse since after" the vietnam war. Dont make me laught with the current uni protesters "anti-Gaza war" that are 15 total per campus.
But i'll never forget nor forgive the spilt french wine. T'was not some kind of "fringe" or "limited" movement, nah it was nationwide. Protesting for more wars, i have seen them do, yes; while happily renaming things like freedom fries. That i've seen.
... next time, try and maybe engage with arguments like "how a sovereign governement could do or not do a cease fire on his own territory and try to be in line with international treaties and agreements"" and maybe i wont fall asleep again, ok ? :) When i call fallacious, explain why and met with nothing, it's sadening ;p
They can't desert, they still have families in NK, and their families would suffer the consequences.