Racism and intolerance in Europe and America?

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Edit: I’m sorry about the previous very offensive title and starting post which straight up go against What this thread is about, talking about intolerance and racism with possible ways to reduce them.

[xBCxRangers]

Messaggio originale di Cybernix:

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Well, they have a much bigger problem with migration than we do, combined with awful austeric measures their governments should have been sacked for.

I'm afraid our ventures as Yanks, caused a maelstrom of migration from those war torn countries we ruined, advertantly, or inadvertantly, flooding Europe.

And now, "fascism" making a comeback, as folks blame "groups" or sects, for their problems and issues, when really it's those former Right win g governments, like Cameron, Merkle, Bush, Sarkozy and the rest who caused it.

Here in the states, the matter way embellished as far as migration, and at best, some Mayors wanting more money from the government, to make up for their other mistakes, having nothing to do with migration.

And so, a lot of intolerance all around, going to the Fascist playbook, of blaming other ethnic groups or the left of the poltical spectrum for all your problems, without looking in the mirror, in that it was the very right wing that caused the maelstrom, not wanting to own up too it.

Imagine calling " Merkel " a right wing government, lmao.

That's what she was. The Christian Democrats are a Centre Right Government. All the ones mentioned, were Centre Right or Right Wing governments.

We haven't had a Left winger here in the States, since FDR. And so we certainly can't blame the Left, being is there is no Left (unless we elected Bernie, and we know what they did to him). They're Centre or Conservative governments. And failed ones at that.

[permanent name]

Messaggio originale di ulia:

"Europeans" is as pointless of a generalization as it gets. You have effective dictatorships and muslim/christian/orthodox/whatever majority countries alongside the most liberal and pro-immigration places on earth. Being "European" doesn't really say anything about about a person's political views or xenophobia.

it has geographical implications regarding some of the realities which may be twisted to form their views on politics and/or outsiders of any kind.

one might argue the isolationist period allowed by France's defense against the mongols characterized european history in various ways. such as segmenting western europe and creating the basis for the central and eastern delineations to develop. and for all of them to unite under the identity of 'europe,' united against potential hostile theoretical non-europeans.

but people's opinions do exist on a spectrum so people could agree or disagree or identify or not identify of completely see through all of that as non-real and/or truly real.

on the whole there are measurable differences though.

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Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

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well, alright, arguably thanksgiving was an invitation.

an absolutely pitiful group of settlers botched surviving so badly the natives took pity on them, granting the nascent US colony the right to rule.

the us has never really advanced beyond pitymongering, as a culture. because it works.

(unrelated, but the pitymongering is why the us is on the whole less racist than europe, but appears significantly moreso. particularly in regards to various topics concerning race itself.)

You know, colonialism encompassed a hell of a lot more than just North America. North America is really kind of a footnote compared to the ♥♥♥♥ that went on/ is going on in the equatorial regions.

yeah the first germacidal rampage afflicted north america particularly hard. too much open land, too much easy travel.

[Voroff]

Messaggio originale di Will be deleted:

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You mean, the rapport written by americans to say how good they are ? Keep your kool aid.

And what make you think it is written by americans, just because McKinsey & Company is an american company? All the people that contributed to the rapport that have a link seems to live in Europe.

Listen, you who are prentending something until maybe someday, it sticks as a truth. I remember one simple thing, and it is a truth, a real one. When Powell the bufoon agitated a vial of "WMD" in a room full of people, as a raging madman willing to break the vial in front of everyone, France said "USA, this war you are going to undertake is injust and based on false proofs".


Next thing you see, there are bottles of french wine bought to be spilled in the gutter, to demonstrate how much despise the peeps there have against the frenchies.

And you, small sweedish one, have the galls to pretend that the US of A, with the BLM problem, is LESS racist than "the europe" ? After pointing you the rich history of wars and dictatorships (it doesnt matter, they are no "proper" people anyways ... not like us proper corn-fed, red-blooded 'muricans !) undertaken during the last 100 years BY THE USA while europe is kinda tame on this part for .. ho, 100 years or so ? :) Yet you still have the will to continue on your fallacy.




For recall, you just quoted yourself to spew some dunking on "europe research". Good for you if you thnk you must flee europe or something, i am in no position to stop you.

[permanent name]

Messaggio originale di Voroff:

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And what make you think it is written by americans, just because McKinsey & Company is an american company? All the people that contributed to the rapport that have a link seems to live in Europe.

Listen, you who are prentending something until maybe someday, it sticks as a truth. I remember one simple thing, and it is a truth, a real one. When Powell the bufoon agitated a vial of "WMD" in a room full of people, as a raging madman willing to break the vial in front of everyone, France said "USA, this war you are going to undertake is injust and based on false proofs".


Next thing you see, there are bottles of french wine bought to be spilled in the gutter, to demonstrate how much despise the peeps there have against the frenchies.

And you, small sweedish one, have the galls to pretend that the US of A, with the BLM problem, is LESS racist than "the europe" ? After pointing you the rich history of wars and dictatorships (it doesnt matter, they are no "proper" people anyways ... not like us proper corn-fed, red-blooded 'muricans !) you still have the will to continue on your fallacy.




For recall, you just quoted yourself to spew some dunking on "europe research". Good for you if you thnk you must flee europe or something, i am in no position to stop you.

well what were we supposd to do to stop these aristocrats from throwing wine out for political reasons? some kind of violent act? heckling? condemn them? we did all that nothing happened.

[Fajita Jim]

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yeah the first germacidal rampage afflicted north america particularly hard. too much open land, too much easy travel.

By the time Europeans arrived on the continent proper, 95% of the native population were dead.

Still doesn't excuse what was done thereafter, but if you want to look at civilizations that were actually pulled down by Europeans, go south.

[Xautos]

Messaggio originale di Mac:

The U.K. gave up on racism? Lol. It's not like they wanted to support confederates during the Civil War. What about the Bengal famine?

Lots of extenuating circumstances conspired to create that famine, though the British forces definitely played their part in it. Hard to see how that was considered racism, especially during war time.

Don't forget Japan invaded Burma and a lot of Burmese people fled to India which made the situation even worse. A lot of these people contracted illnesses that spread as well. Is that a form of racism as well?

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The U.K. gave up on racism? Lol. It's not like they wanted to support confederates during the Civil War. What about the Bengal famine?

oh I somehow didn't see this post how strange.

the UK has stopped exporting Racism as a specific good. they merely reap the rewards of a now-ubiquitous culture of Racism, such as exploitng trade differences between the US' North and South specifically to cause the Cvil War. that these differences were due to racism were, in Britain's eyes, incidental. happenstance.

generally speaking when the US attempts to resolve the economic inequalities in its sphere of influence, whether these inequalities derive from race or not, the UK pushes back and threatens to crash their economy.

"it's not about race though; honest! :P" is the typical sly limey conceit, offered like an uncooked snail on the world's dirtiest wooden platter.

Looks like someone who doesn't admit America created their own problems when they finally became their own nation. What America did is what America did, it had nothing to do with the UK once that new nation was created and these new Americans violently opposed British subversion.

Placing Africans in chains, working them on farms and fields picking tobacco, sugar, cotton and what not while the rich white Americans reaped their rewards from other peoples hard work they would never have the chance to experience.

America segregated their black soldiers from their white soldiers, like it was a mark of shame that black people wanted to fight for what they considered their country every bit as much as white Americans. They fought, bled and died to prove the point.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

when de soto explored mississippi it was full of cities, upon return by others they lost most of theirpoulation and it was ghost towns

[Voroff]

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yeah the first germacidal rampage afflicted north america particularly hard. too much open land, too much easy travel.

By the time Europeans arrived on the continent proper, 95% of the native population were dead.

Still doesn't excuse what was done thereafter, but if you want to look at civilizations that were actually pulled down by Europeans, go south.

"by the time euros arrived, indians were dead". Yes, but the Trail of Tears ? The Whisky ? The Treasons ? Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse and the others died of "euros have not arrived yet".

/sneers and spit

Hath you not taken the time to writte that ... sillyness ... i hath not any reason to respond to you. Alas.

[SvarogX]

Messaggio originale di xBCxRangers:

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Imagine calling " Merkel " a right wing government, lmao.

That's what she was. The Christian Democrats are a Centre Right Government. All the ones mentioned, were Centre Right or Right Wing governments.

We haven't had a Left winger here in the States, since FDR. And so we certainly can't blame the Left, being is there is no Left (unless we elected Bernie, and we know what they did to him). They're Centre or Conservative governments. And failed ones at that.

I live in Germany and I can guarantee you that her political party is NOT right wing nor ever considered right wing over here.

They are center, yes, but thats about it.

She was the one to let millions of Syrians into our country in 2015 and basically kicked off the immigration crisis.

You know nothing about our politics over here and reading off some Wikipedia article won't really give you an insight either.

[permanent name]

Messaggio originale di Fajita Jim:

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yeah the first germacidal rampage afflicted north america particularly hard. too much open land, too much easy travel.

By the time Europeans arrived on the continent proper, 95% of the native population were dead.

Still doesn't excuse what was done thereafter, but if you want to look at civilizations that were actually pulled down by Europeans, go south.

well europeans did pull that one down though, with their germs. filthy plague-ridden warriors and raiders, etc.

let's just skip over the aztec's conglomeration efforts in the wake of the germs, essentially consolidating an empire out of disparate tribes, because it's a really pat narrative of empire vs empire. plus one mechanical skull being worshipped as a god, but all those murals got destroyed by the french and britsh so whatever.

most of the civilizations destroyed like the incans or mayans similarly relied on mobility and trade, and were thus strongly affected by the germ exchanges. many wrote detailed pottery about the slow decline over centuries caused purely by early expeditions bringing plague in the 14th and 15th century.

what was left was predominantly isolated regions. like brazil, which as we all know portugal has all but destroyed with everyone's help.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

she is also a wef young world leader whatever that means

[Will be deleted]

One thing USA do really poorly in is poverty, far worse than countires at similar level of economic development and it is particular bad for certain groups which could be signs to institutional racism although could also be just that USA have a weak welfare system.

[permanent name]

Messaggio originale di Will be deleted:

One thing USA do really poorly in is poverty, far worse than countires at similar level of economic development and it is particular bad for certain groups.

basically austerity. us' trade advantage has to come out of somewhere, and their populace is one of the avenues they've maximized.

generally speaking most european trade relationships are similar, playing out according to the existing hierarchies and relationships.

[Defenestration]

I think statistically speaking, mass illegal migration raises the crime rate since you have no idea who you're letting in, like letting a whole bunch of strangers in your home, and thus they make up at least a somewhat significant portion of the crime rate. People who say strict immigration is racist are dumb, you have locks on your doors, you do background checks, and you want to let in people who align with your values. Countries with stricter immigration laws seem to have lower crime rate such as Japan.

So racists will say it's a race issue but it's a behavior issue. Just stop letting random people in the country and let in those who are willing to work and have basic decency and be civilized, regardless of race.