Do right wing/conservative (mainstream) video games even exist?

[Akboris]

Ive noticed that seemingly every video game to ever make it big and generate enough to create a whole franchise of games, and hell, even most one off games to see a full release, parrot left wing talking points and themes and agendas beneath the surface (with varying quality of writing of course), why does it seem like genuinely conservative video games, as in, created by or at least with the intent of supporting conservatives or right wing ideals, basically dont exist?

This is also funny given just how much pressure certain groups place on the industry to parrot specific ideals and agendas, given that the industry almost already support them.

[Haiku's Knife]

Publicado originalmente por tili1:

You are not being honest. You alter what I said. I said propaganda is boring for ALL creators. Go reread my first post.

I am being honest and the problem is that you keep treating propaganda and art as being mutually exclusive.

Second, it is you who doesnt respond to me. Can you tell art appart from an ad? Yes or no. Why do you dodge the question so desperataly?

Good grief, are you really projecting that I'm "desperately" dodging your question onto me? Holy cringe. I didn't answer it because I thought it was a rhetorical question. Yes, I can tell the difference between a toilet paper commercial and BioShock. What you're having problems with is the grey area in between.

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

What are you talking about? What this has to do with what I said? Are you homosexual? Do you fell that logic and ideas are threating to you, so you have to censor cultural products?

I'm bisexual and I am strongly against censorship. You seem to be implying that most acts of inclusivity are "propaganda" when it's mostly just catering to the wider market.

Why would I do that? So you can ignore everything I say?

I'm not ignoring anything you say, it's the opposite. I'm trying to figure what things you think are propaganda and what things you think are not. Despite BioShock and MGS being created with extremely heavy handed social messaging in their intention, you seem to not want to call them propagandistic. So, let's go over what games you think are propaganda and what games you think are not.

[Haiku's Knife]

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

You said you didn't like male characters being able to select vaginas and you were simply asked why you feel that way, of which you still haven't explained why. Is that really that difficult?

No, I said do we really need it? and for the record lying repeatedly does not make something true. That only really worked for Hitler.

Thanks for the quote less slander though... may the woke valve mods be with you.

I haven't lied about anything and haven't slandered you. Why are you asking if we need it? Do we need games in which you don't play as a human? Do we need games that are only in black and white? Do we need games where you can customize your character? What is the point of asking such a ridiculous question "do we really need it?"

[NW/RL]

Publicado originalmente por Knee:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/359050/Shower_With_Your_Dad_Simulator_2015_Do_You_Still_Shower_With_Your_Dad/

lmao

[mwesthoff]

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

No, I said do we really need it? and for the record lying repeatedly does not make something true. That only really worked for Hitler.

Thanks for the quote less slander though... may the woke valve mods be with you.

I haven't lied about anything and haven't slandered you. Why are you asking if we need it? Do we need games in which you don't play as a human? Do we need games that are only in black and white? Do we need games where you can customize your character? What is the point of asking such a ridiculous question "do we really need it?"

Why are you asking 5x the amount of questions about my question is the real question? to make people think, to get answers and opinions. All the things that liberals without an argument try to avoid apparently, so I'm going to let go of your hand and move on.

Hand holding session over ... bye bye

[Intelligent Jew Businessman]

Publicado originalmente por Holografix:

Publicado originalmente por Intelligent Jew Businessman:

I agree with everything you say except:

"there's more progressive and left leaning people than there are conservative."

According to the last election, biden got 81 million votes (left) and trump got 75 million votes (right). Thats pretty close imo.

There are more left leaning people who play video games, probably due to age tha. Right wing. That's why you don't see right wing ideologies in video games.

usa election statistics don't accurately depict the USA population nor the electorate.

50% of registered voters vote in pres elections. and it's been like that since the 1950's.

to put it in perspective:

of all eligible voters, 50% are registered, and 50% of those end up voting.

So how did sek come to the conclusion that the majority of americans are left leaning?

[Haiku's Knife]

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

I haven't lied about anything and haven't slandered you. Why are you asking if we need it? Do we need games in which you don't play as a human? Do we need games that are only in black and white? Do we need games where you can customize your character? What is the point of asking such a ridiculous question "do we really need it?"

Why are you asking 5x the amount of questions about my question is the real question? to make people think, to get answers and opinions. All the things that liberals without an argument try to avoid apparently, so I'm going to let go of your hand and move on.

Hand holding session over ... bye bye

Bye? I wasn't even aware we were arguing about anything, as you didn't actually make an argument.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

Publicado originalmente por mwesthoff:

I didn't say I was against it. Just stating facts that someone asked for.

and for the record I predicted someone without an argument would accuse me (against forum rules by the way) of being a transphobe.

Valve mods won't do anything about it unless I call you a name. You are like their illegitimate little children.

That's the problem with woke ideology.

If you're not against trans stuff, why are you so offended by it being represented? And again, I'm a White Nationalist and last time I checked, we're pretty much considered to be the scum of the Earth by "woke" people, so I don't see how I'm "woke" for not being against trans people or representation.

Woke people only say they're against that type of stuff, but aren't really.

[76561199674982357]

Publicado originalmente por MistuhG:

Publicado originalmente por B:

Left 4 Dead (because it has women and poc)
Borderlands (diverse characters and focuses on corperate greed)
Team Fortress 2 (pyro is a woman and dei!!)
Payday 2 (female character)
Terraria (♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rainbows because why wouldn't that make a game ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ woke...ffs)
Battlefield 1942 (shooting nazis is woke now?)
Wolfenstein (same as above)


The list goes on but like damnit it's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. None of this used to be controversial when each individual game came out.

Hey thanks for indulging me. I have most of those and wouldn't consider them a problem. I'm sorry that you arent able to enjoy them with your friend anymore.

That guy is totally unreliable though. I know for a fact that Terraria was flying the pride flag on reddit. It's not "rainbows" like this dude is trying to tell you. Now reddit is of course ultra woke and even the subreddit about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HOUSEPLANTS has a progressflag, I kid you not, but still.

[Haiku's Knife]

Publicado originalmente por Chunk Norris ☯:

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

If you're not against trans stuff, why are you so offended by it being represented? And again, I'm a White Nationalist and last time I checked, we're pretty much considered to be the scum of the Earth by "woke" people, so I don't see how I'm "woke" for not being against trans people or representation.

Woke people only say they're against that type of stuff, but aren't really.

You need to come back to reality because this is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read, period.

[tili1]

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

I am being honest and the problem is that you keep treating propaganda and art as being mutually exclusive.

But I didn’t say that either. I admitted there is a gray zone. Let's make things clear.
You say: the gray zone means we can't point at a game and say this game suffers because it has political propaganda in it.
And I say: the existence of gray zone doesn’t mean we can't point at a say this game suffers because it has political propaganda in it.

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

I'm bisexual and I am strongly against censorship. You seem to be implying that most acts of inclusivity are "propaganda" when it's mostly just catering to the wider market.

We are going off topic, but I will answer you.

You can't bake the cake and eat it. You can't have a show that pleases everyone. Some people will like and others won’t. Jack of all trades master of none.

So when you make something more inclusivity for someone, you make it less inclusivity for others. Also, forced inclusivity can be totally off the mark. Maybe homosexuals are not interested in a romance Visual Novel. Maybe lesbians don't care that a fighting game doesn't have a lesbian girl in it. Why not let the free market decide? Have you heard of the expression "pink money"?

[Sek-Raktaa]

Publicado originalmente por tili1:

The thing is ESG and Black Rock are pushing to make left wing games.

A company exists for one thing and one thing only: to make money.

Video game companies make video games to make money.

Left wing games are being made because they sell better than right wing games.

Looking at the US for an example:

Alabama is right wing with a population of 5 million

New York State is left wing with a population of 19 million, 8 of which live in New York City alone.

Pretend you're a video game company. Your primary goal, above all else, is to make as much money as possible.

The left wing market in New York State is bigger than the right wing market in Alabama.

Thus, if you want to sell as many copies of your game as possible, you'd want to try and appeal to the biggest market so that your game appeals to as many people as possible, which means you sell as many copies as possible and you make as much money as possible.

Makes sense, yes?

[Haiku's Knife]

Publicado originalmente por tili1:

But I didn’t say that either. I admitted there is a gray zone. Let's make things clear.
You say: the gray zone means we can't point at a game and say this game suffers because it has political propaganda in it.
And I say: the existence of gray zone doesn’t mean we can't point at a say this game suffers because it has political propaganda in it.

Mmm, I wouldn't say a game wouldn't suffer because of it. Of course something that is in opposition to my personal taste is going to cause some kind of de-happiness, but what I'm saying is that it's a tough task in trying to definitively say A and B are art and C is propaganda when it comes to games. That's why I'm interested in hearing your examples because that is where the marrow will be and how we will decide.

We are going off topic, but I will answer you.

You can't bake the cake and eat it. You can't have a show that pleases everyone. Some people will like and others won’t. Jack of all trades master of none.

So when you make something more inclusivity for someone, you make it less inclusivity for others. Also, forced inclusivity can be totally off the mark. Maybe homosexuals are not interested in a romance Visual Novel. Maybe lesbians don't care that a fighting game doesn't have a lesbian girl in it. Why not let the free market decide? Have you heard of the expression "pink money"?

And I don't disagree with you a single bit here. My only issue is that when someone sees any of the above and because they don't like it, it's automatically "woke" or "propaganda".

[76561199674982357]

Publicado originalmente por Little Haiku:

My only issue is that when someone sees any of the above and because they don't like it, it's automatically "woke" or "propaganda".

Yes, now it is. You know why? Because people have had enough. That's why. The woke have achieved the exact opposite of what they claim to strive for. Some 5 years ago this wasn't the case at all.

[B]

Publicado originalmente por ghost:

Publicado originalmente por MistuhG:

Hey thanks for indulging me. I have most of those and wouldn't consider them a problem. I'm sorry that you arent able to enjoy them with your friend anymore.

That guy is totally unreliable though. I know for a fact that Terraria was flying the pride flag on reddit. It's not "rainbows" like this dude is trying to tell you. Now reddit is of course ultra woke and even the subreddit about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HOUSEPLANTS has a progressflag, I kid you not, but still.

No dude. This was before the pride flag. There was a biome that had a literal rainbow and my friend flew a fit over it.

[76561199674982357]

Publicado originalmente por B:

Publicado originalmente por ghost:

That guy is totally unreliable though. I know for a fact that Terraria was flying the pride flag on reddit. It's not "rainbows" like this dude is trying to tell you. Now reddit is of course ultra woke and even the subreddit about ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ HOUSEPLANTS has a progressflag, I kid you not, but still.

No dude. This was before the pride flag. There was a biome that had a literal rainbow and my friend flew a fit over it.

I would also throw fits if I was your friend, rainbow or not.