Why do the woke believe media needs to be realistic?

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Half of it's not even based on real events. You just want it to be realistic to make things not sexist/racist. It's the decision of the artists and developers/studios what they want to do. Society as a whole should have no impact.

[Sek-Raktaa]

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One could certainly make the argument that Disney might do better if they weren't trying to push for woke, although that is largely a speculative argument.

The fact is that Disney continues to make money.

Say what you will about the company but one thing is for sure: They aren't hurting for money.

Yes, they are. 3 box office failures in one year. They just make a ton of money from Disneyland and have a lot of money saved.

If they can easily recuperate from 3 box office failures in one year through other means and still end up making a profit by the end of the year, then clearly Disney isn't hurting for money now, is it?

Sure, the 3 box office failures cut into the profit, no one's questioning that but they are still making a profit by the end of the year and as long as they continue to make a profit by the end of the year (which they are) they are not hurting for money.

Disney isn't losing money.

They are not making as much money as they want to make, yes, but they are not losing money.

[TwisterCat]

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Then it's a self-solved issue and nothing to worry about.

Having the flu is a self solved issue that's nothing to worry about, but it's still unpleasant and annoying AF.

It's not part of the culture either, to just stay silent about something. The "Just shut up" mentality showcases how some people believe there's only one way things should be done.

There was never any room for diverging opinions.

The louder the microphone is, the more the corruption within the industry is highlighted to the unaware.

[76561199586159139]

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I just knew you were going to call me a crazy conspiracy theorist at some point. You could just have done that from the start though, all of "woke" is a conspiracy theory, is it not? Doesn't mean that it isn't true though.

People at large are extremely sheepish and it is quite easy to control them through media and all kinds of marketing efforts. Why do you think "influencers" are even a thing? If you imagine that people are actually individuals in all ways and make their own decisions, I would say that is quite naive.

You fully admitted yourself in an earlier post in this thread that you don't fully understand what ESG is, what it does and how it works.

Yet, you go on talking about something you barely understand like its this super big thing and solely responsible for all the evils in the world and the gaming industry.

You even double down by making some very vague claims that there are some kind of mechanisms in place to artificially secure a game's success somehow, which you can't explain either when you're being asked about it.

Moving on.

As stated before, the most important question to me when it comes to video games is "Is this fun to play?"

All other questions are secondary at best.

Subsequently that is how most gamers seem to operate as well.

I don't really care about stuff like ESG scores or whatever because that's not the thing I spend several hours doing when I play a video game, you know?

I mean, check my profile... I clocked in 1600+ hours into Elden Ring.

What's more likely?

That I clocked in those 1600+ hours because I like playing Elden Ring or that I clocked in those 1600+ hours because of ESG scores?

I don't know why you think you are representative of the masses. If it is even actually true what you say, because everyone THINKS they make their own decisions, no matter how sheepish they are.

But I realize we have arrived at a point which will probably be "too deep down the rabbithole" for you. Although I don't think it's very deep at all and any marketeer worth their salt knows these things.

I think I have answered your questions adequately enough, I wasn't even talking about this at all in my original statement. "Demands" can just come from some entitled loudmouths on the internet who have no power to actually enforce anything.

[Abaddon the Despoiler]

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Having the flu is a self solved issue that's nothing to worry about, but it's still unpleasant and annoying AF.

It's not part of the culture either, to just stay silent about something. The "Just shut up" mentality showcases how some people believe there's only one way things should be done.

There was never any room for diverging opinions.

That's my problem with wokeness. It's not that other people are woke, they can believe whatever they like. But when they try and force their beliefs on everyone else and try to destroy anyone who doesn't go along with it that's not good.

The left preach about acceptance but act like Nazis when someone disagrees with them.

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

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Yes, they are. 3 box office failures in one year. They just make a ton of money from Disneyland and have a lot of money saved.

If they can easily recuperate from 3 box office failures in one year through other means and still end up making a profit by the end of the year, then clearly Disney isn't hurting for money now, is it?

Sure, the 3 box office failures cut into the profit, no one's questioning that but they are still making a profit by the end of the year and as long as they continue to make a profit by the end of the year (which they are) they are not hurting for money.

Disney isn't losing money.

They are not making as much money as they want to make, yes, but they are not losing money.

As long as they keep making woke movies, there will always be some drama attached to that movie and an audience they lost.

[MinionJoe]

The real issue is pushing reality into fiction and fiction into reality.

[Kate Hikes]

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It's not part of the culture either, to just stay silent about something. The "Just shut up" mentality showcases how some people believe there's only one way things should be done.

There was never any room for diverging opinions.

That's my problem with wokeness. It's not that other people are woke, they can believe whatever they like. But when they try and force their beliefs on everyone else and try to destroy anyone who doesn't go along with it that's not good.

The left preach about acceptance but act like Nazis when someone disagrees with them.

In their minds they have the moral high ground. It's like talking to a brick wall.

[Jonzuk]

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Half of it's not even based on real events. You just want it to be realistic to make things not sexist/racist. It's the decision of the artists and developers/studios what they want to do. Society as a whole should have no impact.

this is why most games suck nowadays

[Haruspex]

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Those pushing for this stuff know it's unpopular with the usual audience.

Mind the fact the 'usual audience' may no longer be the 'intended' one.

True.

But here's where I don't understand. If they're aiming for a particular audience in game 1, 2, and 3 in a series, and that audience made them successful and put them where they are today; Why would they aim for a different audience for game 4 in that same series?

It's like movies. The makers of "The Terminator" knew who their audience was, and they knew how to market to that audience. Likewise, the makers of "Sixteen Candles" also knew exactly who was very likely to go watch that movie.

What we're seeing today is similar to making "The Terminator 2", but changing the target audience to the ones who went to see "Sixteen Candles", and trying to make the movie appeal to that audience. People who saw "The Terminator" won't like it, and people who saw "Sixteen Candles" won't care.

I heard a quote from a previous Hollywood writer who isn't a fan of these recent trends, and I think it's apt. "We don't need more diversity in media, but we do need more diverse media."

Basically, know who your audience is. If you want to attract a new audience, good for you. It's probably risky, but it's commendable. Make a game for that audience. Don't try and change something already established.

[Ganger]

Some movies need to be realistic or their won't work, movies such as Downfall (2004) need to be realistic to portray the last days of germany during world war II. Can anyone imagine a woke version of Downfall being made today in 2024. It would be totally silly, stupid and make no historical sense.

[Plaid]

recalls all the World War buffs who threw a fit over a video game not being realistic.
Yeah, that's a problem with the woke exclusively...

[Tito Shivan]

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What we're seeing today is similar to making "The Terminator 2", but changing the target audience to the ones who went to see "Sixteen Candles", and trying to make the movie appeal to that audience. People who saw "The Terminator" won't like it, and people who saw "Sixteen Candles" won't care.

Let's give this out for a spin.

How much "making T2 but changing the target audience to the 16 candle ones" has to do with 'wokism' and how much it may have to do with the movie industry being averse to risk and simply using a pre-established IP as a base to try dipping their toes elsewhere.

It's not like the movie industry has been more than a decade trying to live off nostalgia and rehashing former successes instead of going into new territory anyway.

Did the Total Recall remake fail because it was woke? Or because it was a script trying to piggyback off the nostalgia of a former hit? Robocop remake?

Too many people are crying 'woke' to what in reality is Crystal Pepsi. Trying to innovate and stay relevant grasped at a brand with solid foundations. It often fails miserabily.

However I have to admit 'woke' makes a hell of a cool bait to drive views to news and video sites.

[DoomsDay]

they are kind, but not your kind, they are realistic, not your kind of realistic.
its always been realistic.
you are not real.

woke people wants media to be realistic?
there is a technical issue there, its about human language, human language is a very ignorant symbolic, compared to how nature paint this world.

[Haruspex]

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Too many people are crying 'woke' to what in reality is Crystal Pepsi. Trying to innovate and stay relevant grasped at a brand with solid foundations. It often fails miserabily.

However I have to admit 'woke' makes a hell of a cool bait to drive views to news and video sites.

Makes sense.

I do have to say I really don't like the term "woke" for these changes. It meant something different entirely before it was co-opted into meaning whatever it seems to mean now. People are also seeing "woke" everywhere, jumping at shadows like it's a bogeyman. To some, "woke" seems to mean "anything I don't like".

I think what some of us really feel inside, myself included, is that we are gamers who are used to being catered to, and we want to continue to be catered to. Now it seems like many of the companies who used to cater to us are trying to cater to someone else. We hope that effort fails so they'll return to catering to us like they used to.

[Plaid]

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Too many people are crying 'woke' to what in reality is Crystal Pepsi. Trying to innovate and stay relevant grasped at a brand with solid foundations. It often fails miserabily.

However I have to admit 'woke' makes a hell of a cool bait to drive views to news and video sites.

Makes sense.

I do have to say I really don't like the term "woke" for these changes. It meant something different entirely before it was co-opted into meaning whatever it seems to mean now. People are also seeing "woke" everywhere, jumping at shadows like it's a bogeyman. To some, "woke" seems to mean "anything I don't like".

I think what some of us really feel inside, myself included, is that we are gamers who are used to being catered to, and we want to continue to be catered to. Now it seems like many of the companies who used to cater to us are trying to cater to someone else. We hope that effort fails so they'll return to catering to us like they used to.

Without actual economic solutions to severe inequality, wokeness can only lead to identity politics, which is what it has become.
Nobody is out there trying to affect the system, they are trying to affect how people speak.
This is because it's being led by a cynical bunch of politicians and corporations - wokeness turned on it's head.