How is it that the clone army in star wars was only 1200000

[bmnnichols1]

I mean the clone wars was supposed to be this galaxy wide conflict involving millions of planets...

[Bassturd]

The movie was about 2 hours, so they could only fit so much in a short time and only focused on important details. There was probably more over time to replace all the fallen ones, and don't forget that they were used years later when Anakin turned into Vader.

And yes, the cloning facility on kamino was later destroyed, and actual people took the place of clone troopers later in the timeline. (so far this is accepted canon)

(I still think force unleashed should have remained canon. The story is so awesome and Kamino has a more believable reason for being destroyed by the republic, instead of the new canon which 'a storm destroyed it'. how lame, right?)

[Birds]

this is really easy to explain, but it involves comparing the galactic council to the UN and explaining that most modern countries have less than 200k troops, and that the vast majority have less than 20k and only a few pieces of a complete combined arms arsenal.

the galactic senate was in a disarmament phase owing to the trade conflicts that saw Mandalore glassed and Tattooine nuked, permanently destroying two completely necessary resources in the process: advanced materials, and arms designers.

Mandalore got glassed because the total might of the trade federation as well as the naboo trade alliance couldn't beat one planet's worth of competently trained and equipped light infantry in reconnaisance-focused power armor.

so a combination of the clone troops' competence and the breadth of their force composition. each and every single clone troop vehicle is comparable to 3 or 4 specialized trade federation vehicles, and on top of that they have a fully diversified fleet of such vehicles for different roles and purposes.

they're simply the best force around at the time, and they destroyed everything else conquering it. as well as themselves ultimately.

stormtroopers are cheap militia copies armed with literally plastic armor and lasguns that don't even shoot straight, and that's enough to dominate the galaxy with on its own almost.

the vast majority of galactic civilizations are very militarily weak, the mon calamari for instance were helpless militarily but could defeat larger entities through trade.

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Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

this is really easy to explain, but it involves comparing the galactic council to the UN and explaining that most modern countries have less than 200k troops, and that the vast majority have less than 20k and only a few pieces of a complete combined arms arsenal.

the galactic senate was in a disarmament phase owing to the trade conflicts that saw Mandalore glassed and Tattooine nuked, permanently destroying two completely necessary resources in the process: advanced materials, and arms designers.

Mandalore got glassed because the total might of the trade federation as well as the naboo trade alliance couldn't beat one planet's worth of competently trained and equipped light infantry in reconnaisance-focused power armor.

so a combination of the clone troops' competence and the breadth of their force composition. each and every single clone troop vehicle is comparable to 3 or 4 specialized trade federation vehicles, and on top of that they have a fully diversified fleet of such vehicles for different roles and purposes.

they're simply the best force around at the time, and they destroyed everything else conquering it. as well as themselves ultimately.

stormtroopers are cheap militia copies armed with literally plastic armor and lasguns that don't even shoot straight, and that's enough to dominate the galaxy with on its own almost.

the vast majority of galactic civilizations are very militarily weak, the mon calamari for instance were helpless militarily but could defeat larger entities through trade.

Or.... they just low balled the number of troops, i'm pretty sure the scale of the war would require way more.

You can't forget that the clone army wasn't just basic ground troops and commanders. It was also pilots, engineers, operators etc and I'm pretty confident that the space fleets alone would be larger than the 1200000.

Just a small oversight or something by the writers.

I miss the prequals being the thing people argued over the most, it was still cool stuff especially in the comics etc.

[Nekoborg]

bmnnichols1 eredeti hozzászólása:

How is it that the clone army in star wars was only 1200000

I mean the clone wars was supposed to be this galaxy wide conflict involving millions of planets...

Often the producers of movies and shows hire bad writers and don't hire folk who can spot inconsistencies in the story.

The producers figure that only a few folk will notice inconsistencies and they have nasty ways to deal with troublesome critics.

The star war universe has a lot of other inconsistencies and lacks any realism that could aid in making the fictional universe feel real. They also lack the vision to know what would be required to have a galactic spanning society and what such a society could accomplish.

Example would be the population of a single solar system with access to the types of fictional technology that is shown to the audience. This because such technology would be considered Clark tech. Star Wars has yet to show the audience true mega structures which would dwarf the death star. Figure a population of almost any solar system can be quite massive if just ½ the asteroids are mined to build mega structures. All those mega structure will eventually become a Dyson swarm of mega structures. The sun itself can also be mined by a process called stellar lifting. It will take a very long time before it before it becomes necessary settle a new solar system. There are logistical problems that are not very resource cost effective supplying new colonies when settling a galaxy.

The star wars saga has so many flaws and inconsistencies and the amount increases with each new movie and show.

[Sherasonni]

WWII had multiple times more soldiers involved.

[Birds]

Channel_998 eredeti hozzászólása:

Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

this is really easy to explain, but it involves comparing the galactic council to the UN and explaining that most modern countries have less than 200k troops, and that the vast majority have less than 20k and only a few pieces of a complete combined arms arsenal.

the galactic senate was in a disarmament phase owing to the trade conflicts that saw Mandalore glassed and Tattooine nuked, permanently destroying two completely necessary resources in the process: advanced materials, and arms designers.

Mandalore got glassed because the total might of the trade federation as well as the naboo trade alliance couldn't beat one planet's worth of competently trained and equipped light infantry in reconnaisance-focused power armor.

so a combination of the clone troops' competence and the breadth of their force composition. each and every single clone troop vehicle is comparable to 3 or 4 specialized trade federation vehicles, and on top of that they have a fully diversified fleet of such vehicles for different roles and purposes.

they're simply the best force around at the time, and they destroyed everything else conquering it. as well as themselves ultimately.

stormtroopers are cheap militia copies armed with literally plastic armor and lasguns that don't even shoot straight, and that's enough to dominate the galaxy with on its own almost.

the vast majority of galactic civilizations are very militarily weak, the mon calamari for instance were helpless militarily but could defeat larger entities through trade.

Or.... they just low balled the number of troops, i'm pretty sure the scale of the war would require way more.

You can't forget that the clone army wasn't just basic ground troops and commanders. It was also pilots, engineers, operators etc and I'm pretty confident that the space fleets alone would be larger than the 1200000.

Just a small oversight or something by the writers.

I miss the prequals being the thing people argued over the most, it was still cool stuff especially in the comics etc.

imagine china's army was competent, or that russia's was competent and also had 1.2M troops.

most star wars planets have less than a quarter of earth's resources, and are also borderline uninhabited except by force-creatures, sand worms, wookies and ewoks, etc.

there simply isn't that much to push over, and it's a big-ass army.

individual ships were controlled by individual pilots, and carriers were typically 6 clones with cybernetic enhancements directly overseeing the ship's AI from various redundant and heavily armored pod-chambers around the ship. each ship typically had one to four armorers, depending on how many regiments it was carrying.

high tech solves a lot of these manpower issues. there were only 300,000 people in the trade federation, but they had something like 10m total droids and a production capacity of close to 1.2-5M droids per cycle.

Mandalore had a standing army of something like 400,000 troops at most, and it held off the Naboo federation. which literally had jedi pilots and ♥♥♥♥, on top of comparable numbers of droids.

[Birds]

Sherasonni eredeti hozzászólása:

WWII had multiple times more soldiers involved.

yeah, and most not quite as competent as the average droid. a lot of people simply aren't cut out for fighting, even before you take into account how much society discourages it from birth.

[Morkonan]

bmnnichols1 eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean the clone wars was supposed to be this galaxy wide conflict involving millions of planets...

I don't know the lore, at least for prequel movies. And, I don't know all the meta-lore in the cartoons or books. But...

As I understand it, what the Republic had before the Clone Army was little more than a peacekeeping force, police, and Jedi. And...that was it, really. The rest of any military effort seemed to be made up of member-planets.

It's really easy to steamroll someone who doesn't have a standing army if you have a standing army... And, you don't need to take every planet, just the ones that mean something or are important industrial or political bases.

So, if you take the Capital, from which all news reports and official Republic infos come from, then... you're in charge of all news reports and official "Republic" infos. Anyone left is uncoordinated and likely missing key leadership to lend legitimacy to a "Rebellion."

If you can take Paris, you control France. If you can take Berlin, you control Germany. If you take Moscow, you control Russia. If you can take Washington, all you have left is convincing Florida to keep Floridaman under control...

IOW - You don't have to shoot at every single person in any country in order to actually, truthfully, "win." 1.2 Million soldiers with Star Wars weapons is probably pretty tough to stand against when all you have is some peacekeepers and space hippies.

[Birds]

you also technically just have to win the air war and then glass the planet.

a lot of planets were afraid of this, and basically surrendered as soon as the fleet got close.

pretty easy to sweep up a few interplanetary alliances a week doing that I'm sure.

plus, the separatist movement rather conveniently consolidated all opposition into one place, then sicked the very army they planned to conquer using on it. I think Rome did this a few places didn't it?

[Morkonan]

Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

... I think Rome did this a few places didn't it?

I think it was during whatever campaign finally conquered what was left of some Jewish/related forces? I.. think? Can't remember where. (Not talking Masada here, though that serves too.)

Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

...a lot of planets were afraid of this, and basically surrendered as soon as the fleet got close....

Gunboat diplomacy, with space lazors...

[Birds]

Morkonan eredeti hozzászólása:

Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

... I think Rome did this a few places didn't it?

I think it was during whatever campaign finally conquered what was left of some Jewish/related forces? I.. think? Can't remember where. (Not talking Masada here, though that serves too.)

Birds eredeti hozzászólása:

...a lot of planets were afraid of this, and basically surrendered as soon as the fleet got close....

Gunboat diplomacy, with space lazors...

The Empire's officers tend to have English accents I noticed.

Rome had a hard time telling assyrians, persians, and the jewish apart. But they knew what Egypt was, sort-of. The history of the period is pretty poorly documented from their perspective.

I think they took apart an Assyrian warband or two doing it, kind of a necessary step in conquering Jerusalem. Iirc average warband is 1-2M, and rome had 100k-400k troops. splitting the band in half let them compete, and rome tends to play attrition as well as decisive victory well. So once they got their foot in the door they won pretty handily both times, and splitting the bands politically worked two or three times.

Another smaller force did eventually show up and it was like 20k vs 200k at that point, and after the senator got dislodged they came back with a real army. because they'd generated a ton of wealth in this time at very little overall cost in troops, and the other patricians could see that. the empire's stormtrooper program follows a similar methodology, absorbing and loyalizing donated troops from subjugated vassals.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Didn`t the cloners say that they have million more in the making.

[Birds]

Rumpelcrutchskin eredeti hozzászólása:

Didn`t the cloners say that they have million more in the making.

yeah but this other stuff is more interesting.

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

I still love the battle of the Starforge more, its a shame they never gave the Starforge itself any movie time, I'd love to see how peeps would react to the giant shipyard that draws raw materials from a freaking star to mass produce an armada in less time then it took Luke to become Vader

[vkobe]

bmnnichols1 eredeti hozzászólása:

I mean the clone wars was supposed to be this galaxy wide conflict involving millions of planets...

in the show we only see maximum 20-30 planets

in science fiction they really lack of scale about galaxy size

warhammer40k are better with that when they mobilize trillion space marine in their war and dozen million battleship

you have same problem with star trek, they look small for galactic force