How is it that the clone army in star wars was only 1200000

[bmnnichols1]

I mean the clone wars was supposed to be this galaxy wide conflict involving millions of planets...

[Birds]

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well, no, they showed people a movie and about 40-60% listened to it.

how many people do you think just shot over people's heads on the battlefield?

i dont remember 20 century soldiers walking like 18 century to be shooted, mostly your average soldier going to run and try to find a spot to hide

yeah then their sergeant dragged them out into the open and shot them.

droids circumvent that entire problem, and they have an 80% accuracy rating. 71% qualifies you as a marksman in many militaries today.

[vkobe]

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except we talk about death star, not your average carrier or battleship

and anyway good luck to try to sink carrier with only 30 fighter when the carrier is protected by its battle group and 10-20 super hornet or f35

the first death star never show a good protection, but only some poor plasma canon, they dont have anti air missile, normally they should detect starfighter several dozen thousands km advance and spam they sky with plasma or wathever they use like point defense

to give you idea how the first death star suck it is israel was able to intercept 120 iranian missiles, so i ask you do you think the first death star going to be able to intercept 120 iranians missiles ?

It'd be very easy... if it so happened the carrier's captain decided to not deploy any of his battle group or fighters, deciding the AA guns are sufficient, even telling off an officer that suggests there might be a danger.
(Like Tarkin did)

The Death had a fleet of Star Destroyers docked, and hundreds of TIE fighters, but none of those were deployed, as there was no "real" threat.

"Never showed a good protection"?
The entire surface is AA guns, that would absolutely shred a larger ship. Meanwhile it has powerful deflector shields.
(It just so happens the grid of that shield is large enough snub fighters could squeeze through it. A lesson they learned for the second Death Star, which had a much tighter shield requiring a strike team to disable. Not even snub fighter could squeeze through that)

And they did detect those fighters.
They just didn't care.
Tarkin saw no threat, and the war was about to end with one shot, according to him.
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Side note: As for the weakness, the book explained that.
It was an emergency exhaust port to be used in case of "reactor overproduction". If the reactor overheated, they could vent the excess energy to space.
It couldn't be particle-shielded (as that would make it non-functional), but it was ray-shielded.

(And for the second Death Star, again, they learned their lesson. Its emergency thermal exhaust port is multiple ports each only a few inches wide, and with proper emergency cutoffs installed, to stop any chain reactions. So the Rebels can't pull that trick off a second time)

tarkin is supposed to be competent admiral, not an idiot letting best weapon of empire to be so vulnerable against a group of terrorist, mostly it is like nimitz admiral shut down all anti missile, anti drone and chose to naviguate at less of 100 km from yemen

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tarkin is supposed to be competent admiral, not an idiot letting best weapon of empire to be so vulnerable against a group of terrorist, mostly it is like nimitz admiral shut down all anti missile, anti drone and chose to naviguate at less of 100 km from yemen

That's the thing, it wasn't vulnerable.

When the enemy only has a one in 100,000,000 chance of pulling off a kill shot (a trick shot requiring supernatural powers, at that), and otherwise can't even so much as scratch your paint job... you're effectively invulnerable.
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It's the equivalent of Greenpeace in rubber rafts shooting at a Nimitz-class carrier with BB guns.
You'd forgive the admiral for not viewing that as any particular real threat.
Especially when he's getting ready to, in a matter of moments, fire an nuclear warhead at their homeland and end the war in one shot.

But it just so happens that one Greenpeace guy secretly has supernatural powers, while (just barely) dodging bullets being shot at him, and manages to get a absolutely perfect one in a billion shot at a pinhole that ignites the gunpowder/munitions room and blows up a chunk of the carrier and rapidly sinks it.

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i dont remember 20 century soldiers walking like 18 century to be shooted, mostly your average soldier going to run and try to find a spot to hide

yeah then their sergeant dragged them out into the open and shot them.

droids circumvent that entire problem, and they have an 80% accuracy rating. 71% qualifies you as a marksman in many militaries today.

i say find a spot and hide, not retreat and running away, so lol a sergeant going after soldiers and risk to be shooted by hostile fire or by his own soldier

sorry, but none clone war movie and serie show 80% they suck badly like average storm trooper

look that, go at 7 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6-yclEOgR4&ab_channel=BradHeadKnock

[vkobe]

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tarkin is supposed to be competent admiral, not an idiot letting best weapon of empire to be so vulnerable against a group of terrorist, mostly it is like nimitz admiral shut down all anti missile, anti drone and chose to naviguate at less of 100 km from yemen

That's the thing, it wasn't vulnerable.

When the enemy only has a one in 100,000,000 chance of pulling off a kill shot (a trick shot requiring supernatural powers, at that), and otherwise can't even so much as scratch your paint job... you're effectively invulnerable.
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It's the equivalent of Greenpeace in rubber rafts shooting at a Nimitz-class carrier with BB guns.
You'd forgive the admiral for not viewing that as any particular real threat.
Especially when he's getting ready to, in a matter of moments, fire an nuclear warhead at their homeland and end the war in one shot.

But it just so happens that one Greenpeace guy secretly has supernatural powers, while (just barely) dodging bullets being shot at him, and manages to get a absolutely perfect one in a billion shot at a pinhole that ignites the gunpowder/munitions room and blows up a chunk of the carrier and rapidly sinks it.

but it is not greenpeace, but al quaida, rebel are their open enemies, they kill each other, rebel are not pacific prosteter, empire know than rebel are very dangerous and more important foe

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but it is not greenpeace, but al quaida, rebel are their open enemies, they kill each other, rebel are not pacific prosteter, empire know than rebel are very dangerous and more important foe

I was talking in terms of power difference, not personality.
(And technically, the French Maquis of WWII would be a better reference. Resistance against a ruthless and evil empire)

And again, when you're invulnerable, you don't really care about the "gnats" buzzing around.

The Rebels weren't a worthy foe to the Empire, not even a rival.
Barely even a blip on their radar. The Senate was more of a threat than the Rebels, and it just got dissolved a few hours prior.
Once they blew up both a popular world (Alderaan) and the Rebel base, they know it would have been all over. Everyone would be too scared of the Death Star to rebel ever again.

[Bamford]

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Or.... they just low balled the number of troops, i'm pretty sure the scale of the war would require way more.

You can't forget that the clone army wasn't just basic ground troops and commanders. It was also pilots, engineers, operators etc and I'm pretty confident that the space fleets alone would be larger than the 1200000.

Just a small oversight or something by the writers.

I miss the prequals being the thing people argued over the most, it was still cool stuff especially in the comics etc.

imagine china's army was competent, or that russia's was competent and also had 1.2M troops.

most star wars planets have less than a quarter of earth's resources, and are also borderline uninhabited except by force-creatures, sand worms, wookies and ewoks, etc.

there simply isn't that much to push over, and it's a big-ass army.

individual ships were controlled by individual pilots, and carriers were typically 6 clones with cybernetic enhancements directly overseeing the ship's AI from various redundant and heavily armored pod-chambers around the ship. each ship typically had one to four armorers, depending on how many regiments it was carrying.

high tech solves a lot of these manpower issues. there were only 300,000 people in the trade federation, but they had something like 10m total droids and a production capacity of close to 1.2-5M droids per cycle.

Mandalore had a standing army of something like 400,000 troops at most, and it held off the Naboo federation. which literally had jedi pilots and ♥♥♥♥, on top of comparable numbers of droids.

The Expanse was closer to the truth on how big a population even one star system could sustain, many more billions than we have now just in the asteroid belt alone. The show did a very poor job of showing it though, Isaac Arthur had a video on it several years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqoYtBZAKO0

So its a bit absurd how few people there are in Star Wars.

The low population theory kind of gets broken by how big the Empires army and fleet are, especially in the recent films where they go full unlimited power with an endless fleet of star destroyers.

[Birds]

they glass and blow eachother's planets up pretty frequently.

ancient gungans could teleport planets with the force.

it's a bit surprising humans even exist in this world. if the force wasn't overseeing and preserving every species that exists they might not be able to survive.

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but it is not greenpeace, but al quaida, rebel are their open enemies, they kill each other, rebel are not pacific prosteter, empire know than rebel are very dangerous and more important foe

I was talking in terms of power difference, not personality.
(And technically, the French Maquis of WWII would be a better reference. Resistance against a ruthless and evil empire)

And again, when you're invulnerable, you don't really care about the "gnats" buzzing around.

The Rebels weren't a worthy foe to the Empire, not even a rival.
Barely even a blip on their radar. The Senate was more of a threat than the Rebels, and it just got dissolved a few hours prior.
Once they blew up both a popular world (Alderaan) and the Rebel base, they know it would have been all over. Everyone would be too scared of the Death Star to rebel ever again.

except we talk about best weapon empire

not matter how you think you are invulnerable in us navy carrier never go alone, they alway have escort, even if it to bomb crappy paesant unable to defend themselves

so the first death star lack good escort, you dont see star destroyer around the death star, so sometime in science fiction situation may be oh my god do they areally so dumb ?

[Birds]

wasn't tarkin absorbed from a rival faction?

he might just be incompetent in general, little more than a political operator.

politicians believe in things like 'impregnable fortresses' all the time.