How do we know we are not in a simulation

[ChristmasProtogen]

If this is the only reality we experience even if there are imperfections we wouldn’t know about them

[TwisterCat]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Acetyl:

It's actually very straightforward. You just have to use numerology and associative / ritual symbolism, and then observe your surroundings and your own history through it. It seems for example that once you pass something through a mind, it breaks the universe's record of a chain of causation / derivation. Or it becomes too diffuse and its pattern matching system misses it, so far as derivative works. It's also why things have to be encoded through indirection and the language of symbols.

I see. That wasn't exactly my most well thought-out statement. It had more to do with the philosophy of the idea, than the actual physics.

The idea was that if the creatures on the outside were such masters as to create this reality, creating a simulation with mere code seems vain.

[permanent name]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TwisterCat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von permanent name:

yeah if god made a virtual container for us he'd forget where it was. the analog sim is a form of memory storage more or less, if it matches his records of what stuff was then he can know when stuff has moved.

Maybe his controller broke and now we're stuck here respawning for eternity.

thankfully the un only blasted his ram, and the controller is physical and indestructible.

technically the reason we sleep is for use as ram. we do all the in/out processing when we go to sleep and those are passed through to later moments in our lives to clear and refresh our shared memory commit, so that we can use our brains during the day despite carrying god's ram commit around and also having it rewritten live and asynchroniously from our time perspective.

and usually the reason our brain degrades and we die is a combination of overuse and god believing in replaceable parts and 'refreshing' your build sometimes. y'know, by killing people off and respawning them.

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von ChristmasProtogen:

If this is the only reality we experience even if there are imperfections we wouldn’t know about them

No one has ever created a 1:1 simulation nor do we know if such a thing is even possible.

A simulation also must imply that it is a simulation of something else that exists.

100% of supposed "signs" of this simulation have other explanations, reality is complicated scientists are just too dogmatic to admit it.

[permanent name]

we don't necessarily know what is happening, even if what we think might be happening is correct. some scientists emphasize this, some don't.

[Triple G]

If You´re unsure, You´re most likely in a simulation. Ez.

[Acetyl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TwisterCat:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Acetyl:

It's actually very straightforward. You just have to use numerology and associative / ritual symbolism, and then observe your surroundings and your own history through it. It seems for example that once you pass something through a mind, it breaks the universe's record of a chain of causation / derivation. Or it becomes too diffuse and its pattern matching system misses it, so far as derivative works. It's also why things have to be encoded through indirection and the language of symbols.

I see. That wasn't exactly my most well thought-out statement. It had more to do with the philosophy of the idea, than the actual physics.

The idea was that if the creatures on the outside were such masters as to create this reality, creating a simulation with mere code seems vain.

That's part of what I meant by simulation being a loaded word. No ontological assertions about how it works or why it exists need to be brought forth and argued over at the "if" stage. It could be more like a collective dream, or even a solipsistic dream. There's what I just dubbed "fractcal decomposition", basically the One made Many, like white light put through a prism and then that light put through a prism, and so on, resulting in a sort of self similarity and fundamental incompleteness all through reality. Hence the origin of a polarity system. In these cases reality is more like your mind turned inside out, or your inner world projected outward. The world becomes a highly diffuse (through space and time) kaleidoscopic hall of mirrors, you're walking around and watching the components of your inner world. Then the permutations are the same again, is it all created of an from you, are there very few real people or just you and everything else is something "external" to your "dream", or are you part of some larger mind.

Etc. See eg the story of Selene. Pretty much the ancient Greeks describing the Matrix.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Acetyl:

How can you use the mind and the senses to prove the mind and the senses?

Gödel proved Mathematica to be incomplete using just Math itself.

Its doable. We could encounter glitches that break the laws of Physics, or some clipping, idk.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

near death experiences overall seem to indicate our souls are just here temporarily in flesh bodies to learn some lessons and love other people, then return to the real world up there of unconditional love

[Acetyl]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von HypersleepyNaputunia:

near death experiences overall seem to indicate our souls are just here temporarily in flesh bodies to learn some lessons and love other people, then return to the real world up there of unconditional love

The psychophysical "garment", binding spirit to matter. I'm skeptical of some of those accounts though, for various reasons. It's apparent that you don't need a functioning brain to have a manner of thought and perception / awareness, but what you actually are without the physical body, don't know. It seems to be an energetic sink or a drain.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

yes thats why there is suffering here, to learn and grow our soul through adversity

[DarkCrystalMethod]

How would AI know that its a simulation? It can confidently declare that it is a simulation because we told it so and it knows through external documentation. (by the way, my AI is looking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.)

For us out here in meat-space perhaps there are glitches but there were updates so that we would think certain things are normal or perhaps couldn't be perceived anymore.

[xDDD]

Because simulations are a human invention to create something that mimics the base reality.
But we are already in base reality, so we can't be in a simulation.

[Ȼħⱥꞥꞥēł8753452]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DarkCrystalMethod:

How would AI know that its a simulation? It can confidently declare that it is a simulation because we told it so and it knows through external documentation. (by the way, my AI is looking for a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.)

For us out here in meat-space perhaps there are glitches but there were updates so that we would think certain things are normal or perhaps couldn't be perceived anymore.

AI would never know is the thing, it doesn't even have the same definition of "knowing" as living things do.

it only understands 1s and 0s, it doesn't know what anything is it lacks sentience.

All made up nonsense by science fantasy writers and scientists who mistake it for eventual futures

[NoticedAlarm]

I dont think we are living in a simulation.
Here are two reasons why:
a. There is no proof of living in a simulation, nor being out of one.
b. A simulation or simulator, is a word for doing something over, and over, and over again. Sure, now we basically do that. Wake up, morning hygiene, breakfast, go to school/work, come home, take care of out needs, eat dinner, and go to sleep. But, we havent always been like this. For example, we changed from ancient Roman society, they probably did the same things over, and over again. But I feel like their "repetitive" life style has a significant difference to ours. So there for, our needs, duties, and whatever changed.

[Dracoco OwO]

Isn't that because the world is so imperfect that it makes it authentic?