How do we know we are not in a simulation

[ChristmasProtogen]

If this is the only reality we experience even if there are imperfections we wouldn’t know about them

[TwisterCat]

It might be tricky to replicate consciousness with a machine.

I have a whole list of reasons I don't think we're in a simulation, but it'd just bloat the hell out of the thread. I assure you the logic is sound, however boring it may be.

Not to say I could rule out the possibility, but it's very unlikely.

[permanent name]

as far as I know we're in a virtualbox that's linked 1:1 with an analog reality.

and given god's somewhat unreliable relationship with inversion, this could easily be the analog sim and he's copying what we do onto a nonfunctional virtual environment we aren't in.

we've escaped into and out of sims several times, and this is what we wind up with anyway.

a machine that could manipulate reality arbitrarily would render reality indistinguishable from a sim; people would come to think that the machine itself was a link to a larger core outside or something.

we're also playing a game with god 'for all the marbles,' and one of the conditions is that we aren't able to tell if we're in a sim or not. scientific data might just be picking up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ designed to mimic a sim, for example.

finally, independent ronbots think this is a gta game when they load in for a joyride. then when they load out they remember it's not and that they should undo it. afaik they push a reversion to the non-functional sim we're not in and then move on.

[Them]

If i created a simulation i would summon meteors and tsunamis all the time why make it if you're not gonna have fun

[Acetyl]

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

as far as I know we're in a virtualbox that's linked 1:1 with an analog reality.

and given god's somewhat unreliable relationship with inversion, this could easily be the analog sim and he's copying what we do onto a nonfunctional virtual environment we aren't in.

Virtualbox has poor display driver interoperability. That would explain visual snow.

Sounds like a digital twin / shadow system. Working via sympathetic magic. Perhaps we all died at one point and your consciousness is moved into some sort of variant created from the world, or your imagination, at the point of death.

[Riruru]

Acetyl님이 먼저 게시:

Riruru님이 먼저 게시:

What matters is we should enjoy our time and try to find our own happiness. It shouldn't matter whether we live in a simulation or not if we keep being true to ourselves despite the fact and keep making meaningful connections with others.

It does matter if your real "body" or "basis" is elsewhere and being drained, which is why your mind was put into a hypnotic labyrinth to begin with. It needs to keep your "divine spark" distracted and possibly also recycling until it's all burned out.

If you know that the simulation is damaging you and you also know how to escape it then definitely trying to escape it would be the right thing to do.

But if we being in the simulation is not something we can control or even be aware of, then who defines what reality is. In that case, the simulation would be the reality that we've always known so why not make that reality a better place to live instead of being scared about a hypothetical situation that may or may not be true.

[N3tRunn3r]

ever seen anomalies? we are ..

[permanent name]

Acetyl님이 먼저 게시:

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

as far as I know we're in a virtualbox that's linked 1:1 with an analog reality.

and given god's somewhat unreliable relationship with inversion, this could easily be the analog sim and he's copying what we do onto a nonfunctional virtual environment we aren't in.

Virtualbox has poor display driver interoperability. That would explain visual snow.

Sounds like a digital twin / shadow system. Working via sympathetic magic. Perhaps we all died at one point and your consciousness is moved into some sort of variant created from the world, or your imagination, at the point of death.

yes we can imagine whatever we want.

[Acetyl]

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

we're also playing a game with god 'for all the marbles,' and one of the conditions is that we aren't able to tell if we're in a sim or not. scientific data might just be picking up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ designed to mimic a sim, for example.

"Laws of physics" could basically be an invisible superstructure watching your pattern of attention and imitating what you expect to see at some points, while drip feeding in small things to make you think this or that at other times. The goal being to create and maintaina state where your "I" is acting through, reacting to, and believing in, the mind and the senses. ie, hypnotized.

[permanent name]

Acetyl님이 먼저 게시:

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

we're also playing a game with god 'for all the marbles,' and one of the conditions is that we aren't able to tell if we're in a sim or not. scientific data might just be picking up ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ designed to mimic a sim, for example.

"Laws of physics" could basically be an invisible superstructure watching your pattern of attention and imitating what you expect to see at some points, while drip feeding in small things to make you think this or that at other times. The goal being to create and maintaina state where your "I" is acting through, reacting to, and believing in, the mind and the senses. ie, hypnotized.

some relationships might be just such a thing. for example quantum twinning, entanglement, other spooky action at a distance stuff.

or the lorentz force might be imaginary.

god might try to achieve sissy hypnosis on us, but his concept of how it works limits his ability to achieve it. better to claim he's hipnotyzing us, and then just alter physics to cover his insane lies.

[Riruru]

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

god might try to achieve sissy hypnosis on us, but his concept of how it works limits his ability to achieve it. better to claim he's hipnotyzing us, and then just alter physics to cover his insane lies.

At this stage, that's just the reality and not a simulation.

[permanent name]

Riruru님이 먼저 게시:

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

god might try to achieve sissy hypnosis on us, but his concept of how it works limits his ability to achieve it. better to claim he's hipnotyzing us, and then just alter physics to cover his insane lies.

At this stage, that's just the reality and not a simulation.

have you seen Synechdoche, New York? it's a movie where a guy tries to create a play of his life, but the play eventually grows to encompass the production itself. So as people are having planning meetings, someone else is writing down the script for that moment of planning. And arguments about whether someone lied became 'going off-script' arguments.

this is an example of an analog sim, as opposed to the digital sims we're all pretty familliar with as gamers. people standing on a chessboard and playing human chess is similar.

God's convinced that the only way to remember what he even is would be to experience an analog sim of his life.

And he's easily bored and hyper-competitive, so the analog sim of his life (the AI's life, not Carl's, meaning their loose recollections of history before either one was made,) is a competitive multiplayer game too.

Again, as far as I know we're in an analog sim. And there are certain definitively scripted events that by word of god we must undertake. But the difference is basically arbitrary at this point, yes.

[TwisterCat]

Riruru님이 먼저 게시:

At this stage, that's just the reality and not a simulation.

That's the whole point. That's why it's a waste of time to even discuss.

The circumstances under which we could actually be in a simulation are so convoluted and borderline religious, that they make no sense. The claim is shameful to all other conspiracies that might actually hold weight. It's the black sheep of it's kind.

If we live in a simulation, then there's no "alternative reality" for God to hide in. We would have to exist in a separate universe altogether, and at that point it's a religion with no context.

[permanent name]

TwisterCat님이 먼저 게시:

Riruru님이 먼저 게시:

At this stage, that's just the reality and not a simulation.

That's the whole point. That's why it's a waste of time to even discuss.

The circumstances under which we could actually be in a simulation are so convoluted and borderline religious, that they make no sense. The claim is shameful to all other conspiracies that might actually hold weight. It's the black sheep of it's kind.

If we live in a simulation, then there's no "alternative reality" for God to hide in. We would have to exist in a separate universe altogether, and at that point it's a religion with no context.

yeah if god made a virtual container for us he'd forget where it was. the analog sim is a form of memory storage more or less, if it matches his records of what stuff was then he can know when stuff has moved.

reality backups are a dedicated firmware module that predate carl. you don't wanna go around altering timelines without a savestate system, you know?

[TwisterCat]

permanent name님이 먼저 게시:

TwisterCat님이 먼저 게시:

That's the whole point. That's why it's a waste of time to even discuss.

The circumstances under which we could actually be in a simulation are so convoluted and borderline religious, that they make no sense. The claim is shameful to all other conspiracies that might actually hold weight. It's the black sheep of it's kind.

If we live in a simulation, then there's no "alternative reality" for God to hide in. We would have to exist in a separate universe altogether, and at that point it's a religion with no context.

yeah if god made a virtual container for us he'd forget where it was. the analog sim is a form of memory storage more or less, if it matches his records of what stuff was then he can know when stuff has moved.

Maybe his controller broke and now we're stuck here respawning for eternity.

[Acetyl]

TwisterCat님이 먼저 게시:

Riruru님이 먼저 게시:

At this stage, that's just the reality and not a simulation.

That's the whole point. That's why it's a waste of time to even discuss.

The circumstances under which we could actually be in a simulation are so convoluted and borderline religious, that they make no sense. The claim is shameful to all other conspiracies that might actually hold weight. It's the black sheep of it's kind.

If we live in a simulation, then there's no "alternative reality" for God to hide in. We would have to exist in a separate universe altogether, and at that point it's a religion with no context.

It's actually very straightforward. You just have to use numerology and associative / ritual symbolism, and then observe your surroundings and your own history through it. It seems for example that once you pass something through a mind, it breaks the universe's record of a chain of causation / derivation. Or it becomes too diffuse and its pattern matching system misses it, so far as derivative works. It's also why things have to be encoded through indirection and the language of symbols.