Militarization of Men?

[Arvaos]

Do you think the men of the west are ready for militarization?

How do you feel about it? I've heard some old people say that the youth should be conscripted and taught traits like discipline and how to be a man.

[Nekoborg]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ganger:

I been reading and hearing stories from ex-military people who have been advising others not to join the military. Some come from a long line of family members who were in the military are now even telling their own children not to join, so breaking a family tradition.

Another horror story on the news lately, is ukraine will now stop issuing passports for military age men who have left the country to avoid the draft. And there is talk of poland deporting ukraine men of military age back to ukraine and talk of other western nations doing the same... what the hell is going here.

Like most occupied countries: Young Ukrainian women will probably raise children who become Warriors

[Arvaos]

Diposting pertama kali oleh bluesky66621:

Diposting pertama kali oleh RRW359:

All the more reason not to cross out 50% of the population as not draftable when we need it. As you said it's the reality of war.

I am saying, you dont get it until you meet your enemy. Do you really think Chinese or Russians gonna take you seriously? Remember those enemies has no qualms to humiliate you. You may laugh now until you meet it.

This is why America is scared to go against Iran, Russia or even China. As I stated, pronouns has no place whatsoever in the military.

The US army would be a laughing stock against such a large organized force.

Look at the mess of Iraq and Afghanistan.

They aren't obsessed with gender, identity, or personality types. They're focused on winning and they are ready to fight tooth and nail to the last man to win while the west bickers with bureaucracy.

[Ganger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hobbit XIII:

1. what are the reasons being given and which countries?

2. A war to put it simply. That is what happens when a country is fighting for its survival. And all those guys running well they got to reason with themselves if that is a good thing to do to leave people at the mercy of the Russian military considering what it did when it first invaded.

From what I gather it's coming mostly from the UK and america, mosty america. The reasons given vary from people to people, some believe there own nation doesn't have their backs.

Some saying that the DEI drive (diversity, equity and inclusion) is driving young men away from the military or is excluding people with skills over someones colour, ♥♥♥ or religious background.. Others say why should I join when my country sees me at a toxic masculinity and are actively vilifying them, many reasons.

A lot of people simply don't want to fight, kill or die and nobody should ever be forced too. Does anyone know if the children of the leaders and politicians are fighting or have they gone to another country... just curious to know.

[Pierce Dalton]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arvaos:

Do you think the men of the west are ready for militarization?

How do you feel about it? I've heard some old people say that the youth should be conscripted and taught traits like discipline and how to be a man.

Conscription is incompatible with the "land of the free".

[replika]

say, I’m a musician, would i wanna be conscripted, no I wouldn’t.

[Ganger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh trendkill:

say, I’m a musician, would i wanna be conscripted, no I wouldn’t.

The real tragedy is that ukraine and russia under the USSR were once brothers in arms who fought and died together, who married each other, who's families stretch both counties and now they fighting each other....

I see the same happening in the UK at some point in the future between england and scotland and if it happen in my life time, it would break my heart.

[bluesky66621]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arvaos:

Diposting pertama kali oleh bluesky66621:

I am saying, you dont get it until you meet your enemy. Do you really think Chinese or Russians gonna take you seriously? Remember those enemies has no qualms to humiliate you. You may laugh now until you meet it.

This is why America is scared to go against Iran, Russia or even China. As I stated, pronouns has no place whatsoever in the military.

The US army would be a laughing stock against such a large organized force.

Look at the mess of Iraq and Afghanistan.

They aren't obsessed with gender, identity, or personality types. They're focused on winning and they are ready to fight tooth and nail to the last man to win while the west bickers with bureaucracy.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The truth is pronouns has no place in the military. Our enemies would not be forgiving to think otherwise.

During Iraqi wars, we learned this lesson. It wasn't pretty either, lol.

[Ganger]

Diposting pertama kali oleh bluesky66621:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arvaos:

The US army would be a laughing stock against such a large organized force.

Look at the mess of Iraq and Afghanistan.

They aren't obsessed with gender, identity, or personality types. They're focused on winning and they are ready to fight tooth and nail to the last man to win while the west bickers with bureaucracy.

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The truth is pronouns has no place in the military. Our enemies would not be forgiving to think otherwise.

During Iraqi wars, we learned this lesson. It wasn't pretty either, lol.

Im going back into history here, what all this woke in the military remains me off is Stalin's purges in the 1930's, where stalin arrested, executed, send to the gulags and eliminated anyone who he saw as a threat to his power. But this move left his military weak and run by people will no skills. As we all know, this allowed the german's to inflict massive casualties and move deeper and deeper into the soviet union.

[bluesky66621]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ganger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh bluesky66621:

This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. The truth is pronouns has no place in the military. Our enemies would not be forgiving to think otherwise.

During Iraqi wars, we learned this lesson. It wasn't pretty either, lol.

Im going back into history here, what all this woke in the military remains me off is Stalin's purges in the 1930's, where stalin arrested, executed, send to the gulags and eliminated anyone who he saw as a threat to his power. But this move left his military weak and run by people will no skills. As we all know, this allowed the german's to inflict massive casualties and move deeper and deeper into the soviet union.

Nah, Stalin wanted loyal officers that obey his orders without question. Germans were the same thing. The only difference back then that you would be shot for disobeying orders. At least that how it worked in German army.

In the 40's gays got thrown out or flogged by standard militaries of the time. Nice try making excuses that you dont understand.

[videogames10]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Arvaos:

Do you think the men of the west are ready for militarization?

The men from the red states in the U.S. are ready to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1OYN9HH9c
While we wait for the men in the blue states to decide what sweater they want to wear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ldAQ6Rh5ZI

[Hobbit XIII]

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ganger:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Hobbit XIII:

1. what are the reasons being given and which countries?

2. A war to put it simply. That is what happens when a country is fighting for its survival. And all those guys running well they got to reason with themselves if that is a good thing to do to leave people at the mercy of the Russian military considering what it did when it first invaded.

From what I gather it's coming mostly from the UK and america, mosty america. The reasons given vary from people to people, some believe there own nation doesn't have their backs.

Some saying that the DEI drive (diversity, equity and inclusion) is driving young men away from the military or is excluding people with skills over someones colour, ♥♥♥ or religious background.. Others say why should I join when my country sees me at a toxic masculinity and are actively vilifying them, many reasons.

A lot of people simply don't want to fight, kill or die and nobody should ever be forced too. Does anyone know if the children of the leaders and politicians are fighting or have they gone to another country... just curious to know.

My family have a lot of members who served and its a mix of some say yes some most notably my Grandmother was no - she was RAF.
Some join Paras!
Join Marines!
And so on.

That has been like that all my life.

The diversity thing has hit in the UK and there was quite a big complaint over it for pilot training, but generally I think its more looking for excuses outside of that to complain.
The main issue in the UK is the accommodation and time it takes to get onto selection and the privatisation of the recruitment procedure.

USA the diversity upset a gaming friend of mine some years back, they were complaining they wanted to spend time on the recruitment because they were good at it but because of their multi ethnicity (I cannot think of a better word right now) they were being put onto what they were trained to do and going to be sailing as part of a gunner crew.

John Kerry was sent to Vietnam he was not what he claimed he was but he was originally serving out there .

Prince Harry, served as both infantry and Apache pilot.

Prince William RAF.

Prince Andrew I think was in the Falklands as a pilot.

Prince Edward was pressured to join the Marines a very tough to get into and get through the training and he left which surprised nobody. He probably would have been better suited in another role it was just not in his nature and especially not in the Royal Marines aka Commandos.

Churchill served in the forces and rescued his commanding officer from being killed despite great danger to himself from being very outnumbered.

[WhiteKnight77]

Diposting pertama kali oleh bluesky66621:

Diposting pertama kali oleh Ganger:

Im going back into history here, what all this woke in the military remains me off is Stalin's purges in the 1930's, where stalin arrested, executed, send to the gulags and eliminated anyone who he saw as a threat to his power. But this move left his military weak and run by people will no skills. As we all know, this allowed the german's to inflict massive casualties and move deeper and deeper into the soviet union.

Nah, Stalin wanted loyal officers that obey his orders without question. Germans were the same thing. The only difference back then that you would be shot for disobeying orders. At least that how it worked in German army.

In the 40's gays got thrown out or flogged by standard militaries of the time. Nice try making excuses that you dont understand.

Ganger is correct in that Stalin's purges decimated the Red Army, especially of those who knew how to fight. The most amazing thing is, Georgy Zhukhov was almost purged, and at one time, even sent to a Gulag during the war, before Stalin awoke to the fact that he needed people such as him. Zhukov went on to be Minister of Defense for the USSR.