Gender Neutral Toilets

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New laws stipulate that new restaurants, shopping centres and offices must be built with separate toilets for men and women.

How do you feel about gender neutral toilets? Is this a step back or a step forward?

[Goose]

CHUD původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

it can also refer to nonbinary people transitioning in the direction of femininity.

Yes please add to the set of never ending guidelines you people dictate to everyone.

you don't have to use the word transfem btw.

[Not Big Surprise]

CHUD původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

it can also refer to nonbinary people transitioning in the direction of femininity.

Yes please add to the set of never ending guidelines you people dictate to everyone.

are you being forced to be nonbinary?

[vinny]

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

it can also refer to nonbinary people transitioning in the direction of femininity.

yeah
i was afraid people wouldn't really be able to understand it though, so i didn't clarify

2AM původně napsal:

It's not. The worry is a pedophile or a sex offender having easy access to the opposite sex bathroom just by saying "hey, I am a woman". That's the worry, not some homosexual man who just needs to urinate.

okay
and how often does this happen?

ghost původně napsal:

Nice mansplain

where

This is a classic "it doesn't happen too often" argument. Why even take the risk? Would you rather bathrooms be open to everyone until a pedophile or a sex offender happens to do something? What sense does that make?

[CHUD]

Goose původně napsal:

CHUD původně napsal:

Yes please add to the set of never ending guidelines you people dictate to everyone.

you don't have to use the word transfem btw.

I won't, thanks

[76561199676322390]

Goose původně napsal:

ghost původně napsal:

Nice mansplain

where's the condescension though?

Why do you always jump in front of everyone even before they have had time to respond themselves? You must think they are weak and need you to defend them. That's pretty disrespectful.

[D. Flame]

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

D. Flame původně napsal:

A transfem woman is a woman who likely had both top and bottom augmentations to look completely female, and they wish to be treated as a female.

A lady boy is either just a femine male or someone with breasts and male genitalia.

They are not the same. So calling a trans female "lady boy" is an insult to her, pure and simple.

actually, "transfem" is a word commonly used to refer to trans women
it's a bit broader in scope, in reality, but nobody here is ready for that discussion
point is, being trans doesn't require you to have "fully transitioned"

I typically hear transfem used to refer to M2F transitions, typically with an end goal of full feminization, the main road block being prohibitive costs of bottom surgery.

[Plaid]

2AM původně napsal:

Plaid původně napsal:

Okay, but you are allowing someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex.
Isn't that the worry - sexual attraction?

It's not. The worry is a pedophile or a sex offender having easy access to the opposite sex bathroom just by saying "hey, I am a woman". That's the worry, not some homosexual man who just needs to urinate.

Not all pedophiles come marching in uniform. You know what they say "it's often those you least suspect"

[Azza ☠]

2AM původně napsal:

Plaid původně napsal:

Okay, but you are allowing someone who is sexually attracted to the same sex.
Isn't that the worry - sexual attraction?

It's not. The worry is a pedophile or a sex offender having easy access to the opposite sex bathroom just by saying "hey, I am a woman". That's the worry, not some homosexual man who just needs to urinate.

Why is that a worry when the homosexual or lesbian could also just as likely be a pedophile or a sex offender going into their own gender's bathroom?

Don't you have a parent's changing room for babies and very young kids to go bathroom? It's a completely different section available in most places and yet another isolated room.

[Goose]

ghost původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

where's the condescension though?

Why do you always jump in front of everyone even before they have had time to respond themselves? You must think they are weak and need you to defend them. That's pretty disrespectful.

because i'm supporting one of my allies...?
also answer the question, where's the condescension?

edit: also, this is a forum board, conversation doesn't even have to be linear.
i'm not "jumping in front" of anyone.

[vinny]

Plaid původně napsal:

2AM původně napsal:

It's not. The worry is a pedophile or a sex offender having easy access to the opposite sex bathroom just by saying "hey, I am a woman". That's the worry, not some homosexual man who just needs to urinate.

Not all pedophiles come marching in uniform. You know what they say "it's often those you least suspect"

Regardless, you're simply increasing the risk for absolutely no reason. Just to appease to the new "social norm", you're not supposed to be socializing in the bathroom and spending an extended period of time in there. You go in, do your business, and leave. Why is it such a difficult thing to understand that if you're born a biological man, it makes women uncomfortable for you to use their bathrooms and vice versa? I said it multiple times before that I really don't mind who people identify as and you should do what makes you happy until it interferes with other people's privacy.

[Not Big Surprise]

2AM původně napsal:

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

yeah
i was afraid people wouldn't really be able to understand it though, so i didn't clarify


okay
and how often does this happen?


where

This is a classic "it doesn't happen too often" argument. Why even take the risk? Would you rather bathrooms be open to everyone until a pedophile or a sex offender happens to do something? What sense does that make?

do you have this same energy about cars, for instance?

D. Flame původně napsal:

Not Big Surprise původně napsal:

actually, "transfem" is a word commonly used to refer to trans women
it's a bit broader in scope, in reality, but nobody here is ready for that discussion
point is, being trans doesn't require you to have "fully transitioned"

I typically hear transfem used to refer to M2F transitions, typically with an end goal of full feminization, the main road block being prohibitive costs of bottom surgery.

it's not quite it tbh

ghost původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

where's the condescension though?

Why do you always jump in front of everyone even before they have had time to respond themselves? You must think they are weak and need you to defend them. That's pretty disrespectful.

or maybe, just maybe, she has something to say

[76561199676322390]

Goose původně napsal:

ghost původně napsal:

Why do you always jump in front of everyone even before they have had time to respond themselves? You must think they are weak and need you to defend them. That's pretty disrespectful.

because i'm supporting one of my allies...?
also answer the question, where's the condescension?

It went to the post office to buy stamps. And after that it is going to the beach.

[Goose]

ghost původně napsal:

Goose původně napsal:

because i'm supporting one of my allies...?
also answer the question, where's the condescension?

It went to the post office to buy stamps. And after that it is going to the beach.

okay so you don't have anything to say about that?

[Not Big Surprise]

2AM původně napsal:

Plaid původně napsal:

Not all pedophiles come marching in uniform. You know what they say "it's often those you least suspect"

Regardless, you're simply increasing the risk for absolutely no reason. Just to appease to the new "social norm", you're not supposed to be socializing in the bathroom and spending an extended period of time in there. You go in, do your business, and leave. Why is it such a difficult thing to understand that if you're born a biological man, it makes women uncomfortable for you to use their bathrooms and vice versa? I said it multiple times before that I really don't mind who people identify as and you should do what makes you happy until it interferes with other people's privacy.

i think letting trans people pee in the bathrooms of our preferred gender is good, actually

[vinny]

Azza ☠ původně napsal:

2AM původně napsal:

It's not. The worry is a pedophile or a sex offender having easy access to the opposite sex bathroom just by saying "hey, I am a woman". That's the worry, not some homosexual man who just needs to urinate.

Why is that a worry when the homosexual or lesbian could also just as likely be a pedophile or a sex offender going into their own gender's bathroom?

Don't you have a parent's changing room for babies and very young kids to go bathroom? It's a completely different section available in most places and yet another isolated room.

You're right, but that's the thing, there's always going to be a risk. Why increase the risk for absolutely no reason at all? It doesn't make sense. Not all parents will bring their kids to that bathroom since the changing station is meant for babies, not children who are 5-9 years old. This then puts that mother and child at more of a risk for something to happen. I don't understand how people are supporting this at all.