Why do Christians (of all people) automatically scream 'That's Communism' when the government gives tax dollars to the less fortunate

[PaganGamer2025]

Then say nothing at all when their tax dollars go to fund weapons to kill 'those people' or when their tax dollars are spent bailing out billionaire bankers?

[Blunt Raps]

Triple G eredeti hozzászólása:

Blunt Raps eredeti hozzászólása:

What u mean op?

He means why Christian conservatives argue that paying welfare to people is bad, when they at the same time bail out billionaires with tax money - and the biggest growing institution in the EU is the border control, to cover all three points.

If we say that the Christian world is bigger than the U.S.A. - while outside of the U.S.A. the people wouldn´t argue that way, as everybody would think it´s a scam, they only have that label on in their party name, and usually avoid talking about religion, if it isn´t some comment against Muslims.

Way to ignore the entire content of my post.

And bailing out billionaires and bankers is, again, more of a zionist thing.

[Triple G]

Blunt Raps eredeti hozzászólása:

Way to ignore the entire content of my post.

And bailing out billionaires and bankers is, again, more of a zionist thing.

So "zionist" is the new trend word?

If the government is Christian - it´s a Christian thing. Which percentage of the government isn´t Christian?

Edit:
And yes - i focused on answering the question.

[Raelic]

Kindred Spirit eredeti hozzászólása:

Then say nothing at all when their tax dollars go to fund weapons to kill 'those people' or when their tax dollars are spent bailing out billionaire bankers?

Well, if you're looking for a constructive debate answer... it's because the government shouldn't be taking my money to distribute. I should distribute it myself. And that's essentially it.

I don't trust that the government does it well. I also don't want to pay them to do it.

Churches do in fact help the less fortunate all over the US. Every city I've been in has food pantries usually run by Churches at some level.

The idea of taking money from everyone and then redistributing it is in fact socialism.

The government can't tell if you're riding around in a Mercedes and pulling in welfare. The government can't see you buying an XBox at the Walmart. Your community can though.

[Blunt Raps]

Triple G eredeti hozzászólása:

Blunt Raps eredeti hozzászólása:

Way to ignore the entire content of my post.

And bailing out billionaires and bankers is, again, more of a zionist thing.

So "zionist" is the new trend word?

If the government is Christian - it´s a Christian thing. Which percentage of the government isn´t Christian?

Edit:
And yes - i focused on answering the question.

No, you focused on twisting 4 words into an opening to push a narrative. And ignored the heart of my comment entirely.

The government could be argued as zionist, as they all go and kiss the wall. I could name a handful who actually push christian values.

[Doomerang]

This is just gaslighting garbage and the op believes in a fantasy he wishes were true so he could justify his hatred for Christian’s

Blocked and moving on

[secuda]

Sounds more of a american problem/idea then anything christian *shrugs*.

[Haruspex]

Christians in the US used to be by-and-large liberal Democrats. The Christian ideal of charity and love thy neighbor stuff is very compatible with this. You may have heard the old phrase, "bleeding heart liberal", which was usually said by conservatives out of frustration in reference to Christian liberals, the "bleeding heart" part referring to the bleeding heart of Christ.

The 1980s saw the rise of the Evangelical movement with televangelism, mega-churches and the "prosperity gospel". US conservatives managed to hammer the wedge of abortion and gay marriage into the population during this time into Christian voters. Christians, who largely voted Democrat previously, now faced a dilemma. The idea that if you support Democrats this means you are in support of sodomy and baby murder. Are you a Christian or a baby murdering sodomite?

It worked, and large segments of the Democrat voting, largely white Christian population switched over to the conservative side. They largely abandoned the core tenants of the Christian faith as they saw the perception of not being a baby-murdering sodomite as more important. "Charity" got largely replaced by "The Lord helps those who help themselves."

From there, you have decades of 24 hour conservative cable news to further change their minds an indoctrinate them. It doesn't help that we're particularly divided as a population anyway. (By design, I would argue.), and either side of the argument immediately races to the extremes. Anything remotely liberal is labeled as communist. Anything remotely conservative is labeled as fascist. There's no room for any nuance in these conversations anymore.

[Morkonan]

Kindred Spirit eredeti hozzászólása:

Why do Christians (of all people) automatically scream 'That's Communism' when the government gives tax dollars to the less fortunate..

They don't?

I've never once heard of anyone calling that "Communism." I think you've gotten your words wrong for the unsubstantiated claim you wanted to make... It's "Socialism" that some people may claim is being done, not "Communism." Brush up on your 'isms.

I don't know any Christians that would scream about Socialism and the less fortunate receiving government assistance. There surely are, but then there are also probably non-Christians saying it, too.

[Duck Twacy]

Kindred Spirit eredeti hozzászólása:

Then say nothing at all when their tax dollars go to fund weapons to kill 'those people' or when their tax dollars are spent bailing out billionaire bankers?

Assisting the poor or those who need a little help, is not communism.

Communism is everyone working for everyone else. It's where all of your labor goes into a pool that is distributed to everyone else, in theory, on an equal basis. It's been proven not to work.

Giving monetary assistance to those in a free market economy is not communism.

[sleeps]

i don't know where you get that tbh. in my place which i assume other countries do the same (except dubai for some reasons), tax money is for less fortunate and is not even communist because it is part of the practice which one of them called alms tax.

[Dom]

That's because you can be very selective with religions.

If a religious person tells themselves that some war is a holy war, then that war is holy to them and they can justify its funding that way. And if that same religious person tells themselves that poor people need to work and not get assistance from anyone, then that's the way it is then.

[Birds]

a culture of sacrifice.

[metamec]

Triple G eredeti hozzászólása:

Hmm. The Roman Valetudinarium counts as hospital, or as origins of it.

Really, the argument that there was no such thing as a 'public hospital' is more semantical than anything. It plays on the idea that ancient peoples did not treat their sick, when they actually did. In Greece and Rome it was the responsibility of the cults.

The most famous institution we might consider 'a public hospital' in Ancient Rome was the temple of Aesculapius on Tiber Island. He was the god of healing which is why his temples were generally used for treating the sick. His temple there was founded around 291 BCE, and the location (an island in the middle of a river in the middle of a city) suggests some foresight with regards to quarantining the sick.

Edit: Institution not instuition. 🥴

[Triple G]

metamec eredeti hozzászólása:

Really, the argument that there was no such thing as a 'public hospital' is more semantical than anything. It plays on the idea that ancient peoples did not treat their sick, when they actually did. In Greece and Rome it was the responsibility of the cults.

Yes - i didn´t go by what wikipedia says, i went by what doctors say.

Public hospitals in the West, which work as we know them, and how we would imagine them, are a thing since the 18th century. And the thing which worked close to it were these Roman sites, but they were for the military. To treat the wounds and to train other doctors and medical personnel.

Those other Christian sites worked with good will, best hopes and some prayers, and could rather be defined as almshouses, which originated from those.

The claim was that Christians made public hospitals a thing, which is not true, while the hospitals in the 18th century might be Christian. Even now some are called the "evangelic hospital" or something, but after 1750 years - one can´t say that they´re in their origins connected to Christian values. Like said - the Almshouses were, as charity. I didn´t say more or less. :o)

Not having public hospitals doesn´t mean they had no healthcare, or didn´t deal with sick people one way or the other. And i never said there were no public hospitals, but that they weren´t "a thing" - and even said that others had them, but the Christians not, as there´s also the will of god, who decides who lives and who dies.

[metamec]

Triple G eredeti hozzászólása:

metamec eredeti hozzászólása:

Really, the argument that there was no such thing as a 'public hospital' is more semantical than anything. It plays on the idea that ancient peoples did not treat their sick, when they actually did. In Greece and Rome it was the responsibility of the cults.

Yes - i didn´t go by what wikipedia says, i went by what doctors say.

Me neither. I'm just geeky about antiquity, and I was agreeing with your challenging the notion that public hospitals arrived with Christianity. I doubt much of what I said is even mentioned on the Wikipedia page. I just wanted to point out that there were other examples of what could be construed as hospitals or hospital-like sites in Ancient Rome which served the people in general, not just the military.

At the end of the day, when Christianity emerged, it was a less established cult than the others, but still a cult. Consequently, it treated sick people in much the same way as those other cults. It seems to me something of a liberty for followers to claim it was responsible for the first public hospitals. Hospitals are a natural evolution of a phenomenon that began with pre-Christian civilisation.