Do you think shows like law and order, scooby-doo, etc

[Rio]

Normalized people to the belief that every case gives you 100% smoking gun evidence of guilty or innocent? And that everything is clean, where the guilty party may even admit they are guilty in the end, so theres full closure.


Where in reality there may never be a smoking gun, you may have to decide based on probability. Or even if you find someone guilty, they claim innocence forever and strongly.

[Triple G]

Or these shows are responsible that people wouldn´t admit their crimes any more, because they thought it´s stupid to do so. And it´s not that people are good in taking responsibilities any more anyways. Traditionally people would shoot themselves or jump out of the window if they did something wrong and it was possible that it could be made public, or if they´re responsible for something and it wouldn´t work out. Rather die than being fired or taking the shame. Nowadays... they´re gone too woke and soft - like the commie leftists they are. They pretend to be conservatives anyways, but we know they´re guilty, don´t we? Fake men who hate on trans people nonetheless.

Else of course the people usually say what they said and stick with it - except there´s 100% evidence for something else. Anything else would be stupid, as it can destroy Your career or well being. It might be different after getting some prison sentence, but usually the people working there say that all people in there are innocent - according to them.

[Kapitein Gnapmans]

No. People are just really eager to put the blame on someone (who isn't them). You see it all the time. They don't care about evidence.

[[unassigned]]

had a friend that was stabbed to death and it took years for police to bring it to court. the killers are in prison now but right up to the end they denied any knowledge of it saying they took a load of valium or something and couldnt remember that night.
there was no logic in it either. just these two adults who wanted to kill some teenagers.

[Yew Nough]

If you're willing to believe something you watched on TV without doing proper research: That's kinda on you.

To clarify: No... and if yes, you're gullible.

[Morkonan]

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Normalized people to the belief that every case gives you 100% smoking gun evidence of guilty or innocent? ..

People have been doing just fine being stupid for thousands of years without the need for television. Why do you think TV has to have had such a prominent influence? You know that those "solve the case" television shows were written as they are because that notion already existed, right?

Read some old pre-TV journalism about criminals and criminal trials and you'll get a good idea of what the general population would think pre-TV. They're just as bloodthirsty and certain as they often are, today.

[kingjames488]

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Or even if you find someone guilty, they claim innocence forever and strongly.

and then sometimes they actually are... and everyone is just like "sorry, eh."

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

I thought you only had to point dramatically

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

I thought you only had to point dramatically

also yell a lot and be like "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DONE TO THEM!!"

also ice-cube sitting there wit his angry stsare.

[OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle]

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Publicado originalmente por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

I thought you only had to point dramatically

also yell a lot and be like "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DONE TO THEM!!"

also ice-cube sitting there wit his angry stsare.

And the angry stare is key to intimidating the judge, of course

[kingjames488]

Publicado originalmente por OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

Publicado originalmente por Mod_Abuse_victim#488:

also yell a lot and be like "YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DONE TO THEM!!"

also ice-cube sitting there wit his angry stsare.

And the angry stare is key to intimidating the judge, of course :steamdeadpan:

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[tmwfte]

Scooby-Doo was right in that the villain is usually a rich old dude trying to pull a fast one on everybody. If only we as a society listened.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

its never lupus

[Rio]

Publicado originalmente por HypersleepyNaputunia:

its never lupus

Because its always Red herring?

[miakisfan]

As someone who grew up with those shows (I'm 58 and a half right now) I think I had the common sense enough to know that things are never as black and white as some of those shows made them out to be.

That was in my opinion the best and worst parts of the show.

Personally I loved the Perry Mason shows even though I knew those were pretty much the same. It was fun seeing how all these shows got to who the murderer really was. They excelled in making you believe they knew what they were doing.

[Original Cast Recording]

Publicado originalmente por Wonderland:

Do you think shows like law and order, scooby-doo, etc normalized people to the belief that every case gives you 100% smoking gun evidence of guilty or innocent? And that everything is clean, where the guilty party may even admit they are guilty in the end, so theres full closure.

Where in reality there may never be a smoking gun, you may have to decide based on probability. Or even if you find someone guilty, they claim innocence forever and strongly.

I don't know about the spin-off shows, but the original L&O definitely did not portray the criminal justice system as operating solely on 100% certainty. Like half the show is in the courtroom and the prosecutors have to convince people (not only jurors, but also the DA) of the implications of the evidence; that is to say, there isn't always a clear "smoking gun," and even when there is, that's not always enough.