TikTok to be banned in US

[Blitz4]

If someone reads this or uses these forums. It's unlikely that they use TikTok. Many people do.

The reason that it's going to be banned is as you may have heard due to the access to so many people's data and it poses a national security risk.

What data? I've no clue really. What I do know is if their reasoning is to protect consumers data, then TikTok isn't the only service or product that should be banned. There's quite a few out there.

Late last year, TikTok was forced to admit that it used this same data to spy on individual Americans, including journalists. Without question, TikTok is a Trojan Horse.

At least 27 states and the federal government have banned the use of the app on government devices. My advice: If you or someone in your family insists on using TikTok, install it on a separate device, like an old smartphone. Don’t connect that device to your home network. Use a cellular connection to get online.

Several states have also banned a few other Chinese-owned apps and platforms. This list includes Weibo, WeChat, and Alibaba.

There's others. Temu, SHEIN, CapCut.

There's also the products.

The FCC banned sales and imports of Huawei devices in November, citing national security concerns.

Xiaomi, OnePlus, and Oppo have faced similar accusations. A recent report found Chinese-made Android phones include “an alarming number” of preinstalled apps that grant dangerous privileges.

There's also drones. The most popular made by DJI

A DJI drone with a thermal-imaging camera is seen in Menlo Park, Calif., March 3, 2019. Chinese-made drones could pose a national security risk to the United States due to laws in China that force companies to provide authorities access to user data, two U.S. agencies say in a new memo.

So there's a lot and I have no clue how far it reaches. China makes 1/3 of the products the US uses and with a law as stated in the DJI quote, it's likely to be something we hear about so much that we get bored about hearing how yet another product is banned in the US.

Think to all China's owned products, services and companies out there. The anti-cheat software. The DRM. The digital distributors. The publishers and devs. Think of all of the games Tencent owns.

It's hard to believe that the US goverment is being tasked with this, regulating technology. Are they going to double down and have a 3rd party that's more efficient handle it for them or are they going to be criticized for being hypocrites? This is so odd to me. And to top it off, say a republican was in office for the next term, they'll be lax on pushing this forward.

[Voroff]

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Quote: "[TikTok] managers sometimes instruct workers to share data with colleagues in other parts of the company and with ByteDance workers without going through official channels. That data sometimes includes private information such as a user’s email, birth date and IP address.

Ok, thanks, exactly what if thought : NOTHING. Any Tinder-adjacent drains lots more datas, and most of them or not based in the US of A, so what, a crackdown on that too ? :D Telegram banned too because it's not in the US and the datas are "unknown" so potentially dangerous ? What a rabid rabbit hole.

Next time the Germans or the Frenchs cooks up a search engine not based on google, yer gonna ban it too ? :D

[RRW359]

Voroff の投稿を引用：

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Quote: "[TikTok] managers sometimes instruct workers to share data with colleagues in other parts of the company and with ByteDance workers without going through official channels. That data sometimes includes private information such as a user’s email, birth date and IP address.

Ok, thanks, exactly what if thought : NOTHING. Any Tinder-adjacent drains lots more datas, and most of them or not based in the US of A, so what, a crackdown on that too ? :D Telegram banned too because it's not in the US and the datas are "unknown" so potentially dangerous ? What a rabid rabbit hole.

Next time the Germans or the Frenchs cooks up a search engine not based on google, yer gonna ban it too ? :D

Well now that's just a slippery slope fallacy.

Let's all just ignore that the entire idea of prescedent, one of the founding principals of common law that basically all of the US has to base laws and the enforcement thereof on, is the IRL embodyment of a slippery slope.

[Dom]

Americans should not be fine with this. At the very least they should receive some concrete evidence that the claims about China are true. Not just "we have reason to believe" or "this is a concern". Concrete, hard evidence.

TikTok isn't even headquartered in China and the counter-argument is that they've never been asked by China to provide any US user data. That's their statement. Not to mention, they're investing massive sums of money to build a firewall around the US user data as well.

It's scary if the government is allowed to censor entire applications or platforms without providing evidence to the public to support their reasoning for doing so.

Why are people okay with this? I don't understand.
So many people who I've seen supporting this often talk about government overreaches in power or lack of transparency as part of the decision-making. Neither matters here? Why?

[D. Flame]

Dom の投稿を引用：

Americans should not be fine with this. At the very least they should receive some concrete evidence that the claims about China are true. Not just "we have reason to believe" or "this is a concern". Concrete, hard evidence.

TikTok isn't even headquartered in China and the counter-argument is that they've never been asked by China to provide any US user data. That's their statement. Not to mention, they're investing massive sums of money to build a firewall around the US user data as well.

It's scary if the government is allowed to censor entire applications or platforms without providing evidence to the public to support their reasoning for doing so.

Why are people okay with this? I don't understand.

US politicians don’t care what US citizens want. Unless you are a big money donor, your opinion is irrelevant.

[jeremywyx]

idc wath on earth is tic-tok doing but i am happy that its gteing banned.

[RRW359]

Dom の投稿を引用：

Americans should not be fine with this. At the very least they should receive some concrete evidence that the claims about China are true. Not just "we have reason to believe" or "this is a concern". Concrete, hard evidence.

TikTok isn't even headquartered in China and the counter-argument is that they've never been asked by China to provide any US user data. That's their statement. Not to mention, they're investing massive sums of money to build a firewall around the US user data as well.

It's scary if the government is allowed to censor entire applications or platforms without providing evidence to the public to support their reasoning for doing so.

Why are people okay with this? I don't understand.

It's too early to tell how severe the backlash is going to be but I suspect that anyone with any influence in the government is going to get a VPN and anyone who doesn't want to pay for one is just going to be ignored.

[KalGimpa]

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

they admitted that they gave info to china but said it only happened the one time

fine to take that chance with your private info and wrong to ban if from everyone

right to remove it from gov't phones and put a warning that it happened

Quote: "[TikTok] managers sometimes instruct workers to share data with colleagues in other parts of the company and with ByteDance workers without going through official channels. That data sometimes includes private information such as a user’s email, birth date and IP address. Meanwhile, ByteDance workers in China update TikTok’s algorithm so frequently that Project Texas employees struggle to check every change, and fear they won’t catch problems if there are any, the people said."

Note: This was TikTok Creator data only, not your average TikTok viewer.

Result: TikTok has already been banned on government devices in most Western nations.

Do I believe governments and high security individuals should run a TikTok account, risking possible security? No.

Do I think TikTok is spying on your American children's dance moves? No. Probably not.

So the only real risk is it's TikTok algorithm changes, which might push certain content upon your American child. Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish content? Harmful content? Disinformation?

In comparison of TikTok vs other social media platforms, ironically Facebook (META) and specially xTwitter, even Truth Social, has a worst privacy and transparency act, than TikTok. In fact, xTwitter pretty much got rid of all their transparency and has unknown third party ad sources, questionable algorithms and pushed disinformation content, etc.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

Donald Trump is actually agreeing with me now, but only because Joe Biden decided to look into what he previously obsessed about (banning TikTok). Yet do I think you need to ban Facebook? No rather xTwitter would be the platform to question the most currently.

https://news.yahoo.com/tiktok-admits-employees-spied-journalists-090622352.html

TikTok parent company ByteDance has admitted it accessed the data – including the location – of some journalists as part of an internal investigation into the source of separate leaks of user information.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

edit

the same country that did this has satellite offices in many other countries

offices linked to the chinese police and military

[Azza ☠]

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

Voroff の投稿を引用：

Ok, thanks, exactly what if thought : NOTHING. Any Tinder-adjacent drains lots more datas, and most of them or not based in the US of A, so what, a crackdown on that too ? :D Telegram banned too because it's not in the US and the datas are "unknown" so potentially dangerous ? What a rabid rabbit hole.

Next time the Germans or the Frenchs cooks up a search engine not based on google, yer gonna ban it too ? :D

Well now that's just a slippery slope fallacy.

Let's all just ignore that the entire idea of prescedent, one of the founding principals of common law that basically all of the US has to base laws and the enforcement thereof on, is the IRL embodyment of a slippery slope.

I don't think America is concerned at all about the TikTok privacy, aka China spying as such.

That's just some Donald Trump made up excuse for previously wanting it banned due to trolling him.

We already had a major investigation into that and the worst issue was an older version of TikTok would monitor the cellphone's clipboard (copy and paste) locally without sending any data, which was transparently already explained in the TikTok transparency act that it was done for spam checking. Later that was removed upon request.

32 other iOS apps also did the same "universal clipboard" snooping technique, not just TikTok or China. This could be an issue if you tend to copy/paste passwords or bitcoin wallet addresses, etc. Smartphones have been updated to check and warn if any app/game does that now, for example, your Apple smartphone will pop up with a warning and permission request.

Privacy and transparency of TikTok is actually really good and better than more other social media platforms.

Rather I believe now America is more concerned about what it could be pushing upon it's American citizens. You have TikTok challenges and silly things kids might do after watching TikTok. The mental health and addiction factors. Misinformation or whatever else which could be pushed. That's the same for any social media platform however, again much worst upon others such as xTwitter these days. In fact, Elon Musk was fined $610,500 AUD by eSafety Australia for mishandling of serious child abuse and safety upon xTwitter.

[xAlphaStarOmegax]

I think they want to ban it to censor people from sharing the truth with one another.

[Azza ☠]

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Quote: "[TikTok] managers sometimes instruct workers to share data with colleagues in other parts of the company and with ByteDance workers without going through official channels. That data sometimes includes private information such as a user’s email, birth date and IP address. Meanwhile, ByteDance workers in China update TikTok’s algorithm so frequently that Project Texas employees struggle to check every change, and fear they won’t catch problems if there are any, the people said."

Note: This was TikTok Creator data only, not your average TikTok viewer.

Result: TikTok has already been banned on government devices in most Western nations.

Do I believe governments and high security individuals should run a TikTok account, risking possible security? No.

Do I think TikTok is spying on your American children's dance moves? No. Probably not.

So the only real risk is it's TikTok algorithm changes, which might push certain content upon your American child. Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish content? Harmful content? Disinformation?

In comparison of TikTok vs other social media platforms, ironically Facebook (META) and specially xTwitter, even Truth Social, has a worst privacy and transparency act, than TikTok. In fact, xTwitter pretty much got rid of all their transparency and has unknown third party ad sources, questionable algorithms and pushed disinformation content, etc.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

Donald Trump is actually agreeing with me now, but only because Joe Biden decided to look into what he previously obsessed about (banning TikTok). Yet do I think you need to ban Facebook? No rather xTwitter would be the platform to question the most currently.

https://news.yahoo.com/tiktok-admits-employees-spied-journalists-090622352.html

TikTok parent company ByteDance has admitted it accessed the data – including the location – of some journalists as part of an internal investigation into the source of separate leaks of user information.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

The think about this is TikTok has actually taken steps to distance itself from ByteDance and already worked with the US government to totally separate user data from China, hense they had American servers and even an America CEO.

The only issue back when Donald Trump was US President with China spying is if the American server handed US data across to China, which was monitored and not detected. So long the American CEO did their job, it would of been zero issue, yet Trump got rid of him.

In comparison, even Trump's own Truth Social takes location data of it's users.

[RRW359]

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

Azza ☠ の投稿を引用：

Quote: "[TikTok] managers sometimes instruct workers to share data with colleagues in other parts of the company and with ByteDance workers without going through official channels. That data sometimes includes private information such as a user’s email, birth date and IP address. Meanwhile, ByteDance workers in China update TikTok’s algorithm so frequently that Project Texas employees struggle to check every change, and fear they won’t catch problems if there are any, the people said."

Note: This was TikTok Creator data only, not your average TikTok viewer.

Result: TikTok has already been banned on government devices in most Western nations.

Do I believe governments and high security individuals should run a TikTok account, risking possible security? No.

Do I think TikTok is spying on your American children's dance moves? No. Probably not.

So the only real risk is it's TikTok algorithm changes, which might push certain content upon your American child. Anti-Israel and Anti-Jewish content? Harmful content? Disinformation?

In comparison of TikTok vs other social media platforms, ironically Facebook (META) and specially xTwitter, even Truth Social, has a worst privacy and transparency act, than TikTok. In fact, xTwitter pretty much got rid of all their transparency and has unknown third party ad sources, questionable algorithms and pushed disinformation content, etc.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

Donald Trump is actually agreeing with me now, but only because Joe Biden decided to look into what he previously obsessed about (banning TikTok). Yet do I think you need to ban Facebook? No rather xTwitter would be the platform to question the most currently.

https://news.yahoo.com/tiktok-admits-employees-spied-journalists-090622352.html

TikTok parent company ByteDance has admitted it accessed the data – including the location – of some journalists as part of an internal investigation into the source of separate leaks of user information.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

So someone's phone is tracking their location and allowing third parties to access that information either without the user's consent or with their consent under duress and yet they aren't the ones that are being legislated against?

[Azza ☠]

RRW359 の投稿を引用：

KalCuey の投稿を引用：

https://news.yahoo.com/tiktok-admits-employees-spied-journalists-090622352.html

TikTok parent company ByteDance has admitted it accessed the data – including the location – of some journalists as part of an internal investigation into the source of separate leaks of user information.

ByteDance admitted “misconduct” and fired Chris Lepitak, its chief internal auditor who led the team responsible for the investigation, according to Forbes, which first reported ther story.

So someone's phone is tracking their location and allowing third parties to access that information either without the user's consent or with their consent under duress and yet they aren't the ones that are being legislated against?

It's optional and removal, unlike Truth Social's app tracking.

TikTok: "If you're 18 years or older and in regions where Location Services are available for the TikTok app, and when you turn it on, we'll receive location data directly from your device's Location Services."

https://support.tiktok.com/en/account-and-privacy/account-privacy-settings/location-services-on-tiktok

TikTok also only does approximate location information.

[BigBallinChester]

It's sad how Xi in one decade managed to destroy global trust and cohesion that the previous leaders took 60 years to establish.

[Rio]

Ohio?MoreLikeOhHellNo の投稿を引用：

It's sad how Xi in one decade managed to destroy global trust and cohesion that the previous leaders took 60 years to establish.

Yeah, how dare he spy on people like the USA. Thats something only the USA and the 5 eyes are allowed to do

[TwisterCat]

xAlphaStarOmegax の投稿を引用：

I think they want to ban it to censor people from sharing the truth with one another.

I don't think there was a whole lot of truth being spread on TikTok, but that's probably the idea behind the coming ban ~ destroy whatever you can't control. Truth included.