What's your opinion of the American Dream?

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

It is and has always been a fictitious concept in my opinion. The American Dream means whatever makes a person happy. The middle class in America needs to stop shrinking though.

[Triple G]

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Thank you, government. Paying me to play Call of Duty. I’m collecting that unemployment money.

This is the way. Meaning, purpose, QoL and whatnot with this simple solution, while the money is given back to society anyways to create jobs and give other people purpose as well. Win Win.

Opposed to get some obscure ideas on how to create money by any means - and by producing stuff nobody needs if there wouldn´t be all possible psychological tricks in use to advertise these products.

It´s also closer to the original American dream, before it was perverted...

Originally posted by I'm too Hot:

It's terrible because some women don't like feminism and the work lifestyle. Some would rather be housewives. It's unfortunate that it's too difficult to support a family and household on a single person's income.

It´s still possible though - with the right certifications and connections - or some luck. Also i don´t think that feminism excludes being a housewife. But it´s one thing to be at home and care for the household and children by choice - or to be some kind of servant for the husband by default, while being financially depended on him...

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

Originally posted by Triple G:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

Thank you, government. Paying me to play Call of Duty. I’m collecting that unemployment money.

This is the way. Meaning, purpose, QoL and whatnot with this simple solution, while the money is given back to society anyways to create jobs and give other people purpose as well. Win Win.

Opposed to get some obscure ideas on how to create money by any means - and by producing stuff nobody needs if there wouldn´t be all possible psychological tricks in use to advertise these products.

It´s also closer to the original American dream, before it was perverted...

Originally posted by I'm too Hot:

It's terrible because some women don't like feminism and the work lifestyle. Some would rather be housewives. It's unfortunate that it's too difficult to support a family and household on a single person's income.

It´s still possible though - with the right certifications and connections - or some luck. Also i don´t think that feminism excludes being a housewife. But it´s one thing to be at home and care for the household and children by choice - or to be some kind of servant for the husband by default, while being financially depended on him...

It's possible, but definitely out of reach for majority of people. Also, it's not a form of servitude if the woman chooses not to work. Work isn't fun for most people.

[Candyy]

I still do not understand why the dream is american... 🤷‍♀️

[C4Warr10r]

It's right there in the Constitution. You have fifty state governments and thousands of local ones where you can be and live in whatever society you wish Some of them are good, some of them are ♥♥♥♥, but everyone can be United in Freedom. If you ♥♥♥♥ up your vision, you can just move to somewhere else that works better, because none of us are as retarded as all of us.

This in turn creates an incentive structure for government to actually perform well. They can cheat for a while, but not for very long as their states turn to ♥♥♥♥. This is the whole problem with the Left. They insist on complete control, and yeah, their states turn to ♥♥♥♥. Who wants to live there? Nobody, which is why they try to take away the choice.

I much prefer my own American Dream, and it's a humble one. I just want to provide for my wife and family. Get some property, raise our kids on it, AVOID public education, and have nearby families with kids that can be a community for my wife. Personally, I'm kind of a loner, but I love talking shop or games with other guys when I've got the time for it. Plus, there's almost nothing more fun for kids then when a bunch of dads play games with them. Baseball, football,hockey, war games,tea parties,chess, etc. it's all good development of young minds, because they copy everything you show them, starting with the worst stuff.

Any failures you have as a parent are, well, apparent, to kids. Don't ♥♥♥♥ up around them, don't have marital fights, and FFS sake, don't' be a single parent or a gay one, or any other kind of victim, because the kids will LEARN that and copy it. Their vision of what can be a good society is based on yours, so just don''t ♥♥♥♥ up in your normal life.It's not hard. But the second you choose to make some nice society bad, whether it's suburbia or a farming community, you're only going to reap what you sow.

Sucks, doesn't it? I've made mistakes in my life, plenty of them, but I want to live around the good people and not make mistakes any more.I want to be more like them, and everyone has that freedom, as surely as they have the freedom to choose ruin.

[Triple G]

Originally posted by I'm too Hot:

It's possible, but definitely out of reach for majority of people. Also, it's not a form of servitude if the woman chooses not to work. Work isn't fun for most people.

But if You do the household it´s like the most unfun work imaginable, as it doesn´t even earn money which You can spend...

Also most women i met would be bored if they "had to" stay at home always without having a job. Else a housewife is rather expensive if You basically work for her entertainment, when You´re at work so she has something to do - like going shopping with her other housewife friends...

With servitude i meant the way it worked before women had equal rights. They´re free to choose a job, and be financially independent - and that´s fine. And most would probably do some part time job at least anyways - if they´re not mother of 14 children. Might differ in households in which all are unemployed...

Originally posted by Pikumii:

I still do not understand why the dream is american... 🤷‍♀️

America? New World? Land nobody has claimed so far, which is there free for the taking? Individual freedom instead of having landlords? Seemed like a dream for most Europeans - nowadays it´s the same ♥♥♥♥ in green, or rather not so green in case of the U.S...

Like:

„He is an American, who, leaving behind him all his ancient prejudices and manners, receives new ones from the new mode of life he has embraced. […] Americans are the western pilgrims […]; they will finish the great cycle. The American is the new man, who acts upon new principles; he must therefore entertain new ideas, and form new opinions.“

Back then, in 1782, when it was about being progressive and freedom - and not about being labeled as woke - but perhaps as naive enthusiast, who couldn´t know better...

[Voroff]

Originally posted by I'm too Hot:

The middle class in America needs to stop shrinking though.

Hééééééééééééé ? How d'you rekon it should be done ? :D

Originally posted by Origin:

It died a long time ago. And if your smart you'll probably go to another country if america can't reset its debt. Otherwise you'll be paying it forever and your kids too.

Héééé, how and when ? D'you pinpoint that on an emigration/immigration per-year chart ? D'you put the causes on something specific ? :)

Originally posted by Eld3r:

Originally posted by OoOoOoooOOoOoorgle:

It's propaganda to stop people from realizing that nobody with millions of dollars got them through "hard work." :gman:

i disagree hard work, and perseverance when hard work alone failed me, has worked for me

Does hard work includes sabotaging the competition - in any way, shape or form ? Yeah, real question, i'm curious.

Originally posted by Pierce Dalton:

The "American dream" is real, but as with everything in life, not everyone is lucky enough to materialize it.

Ho ? Luck ? Really ? For one Rothshild or Rockfeller, how many failed and were buried in debt ? And more importantly, those two named ones were not reknown for being "ethical" or "moral". My point, it's not luck, it's ruthlessness and pressuring the most possible from your employees and give an "almost nothing" back in return.
The kind of dream build on crushing others bones, that's not a dream to strive to and for.

Originally posted by Xautos:

America is built on the back of immigration, migration and a melting pot of ideas, cultures and values, it always has and always will be. yet the politics right now are so divisive that it's creating a great strain on what the american dream really means to the outsider who wants to experience it.

Aye, that's kinda true, and i put it on "cognitive dissonnance". It begins with "we are the most free", while i can jaywalk and loiter all day and night in Paris and i can say whatever i want as long as i'm ... polite. Yeah, we have free speech here, go figure, but we dont salute a flag - i'd even go on a limb and say that most non-USA citizens find that Flag-Fetish distasteful.
For a good use of a flag, go see how the current german army's medics proceed with wounded soldiers : suspending a small flag over the head of the soldier in field hospitals, for when he wakes up, he sees that he ... is ... finally ... safe.

[Triple G]

Originally posted by Voroff:

Does hard work includes sabotaging the competition - in any way, shape or form ? Yeah, real question, i'm curious.

No. That´s the fun part of work.

[Pocahawtness]

I think the masses fool themselves in to thinking they have a chance "given the right circumstances" but that's just not true.

The rich will be rich even in the poorest countries, and the poor will always be poor even in the lands where the streets are paved with gold.

[Voroff]

Originally posted by Pirate☠️Pocah:

The rich will be rich even in the poorest countries, and the poor will always be poor even in the lands where the streets are paved with gold.

Swiss p.o.v. : the poor millionnaire washes the cars of the billionnaires.

[Duck Twacy]

Originally posted by I'm too Hot:

Originally posted by Duck Twacy:

The credit economy has made it more elusive and difficult to achieve. Regular people don't pay cash for cars anymore. They rent apartments. Their homes are usually mortgaged or paid by a bank loan. For some people they work merely to pay their credit cards or loans they used to pay off bills.

The American dream, according to my high school English teacher is to give your children a better life than what you had. I think it gets more difficult with each newer generation.

Yeah, it's much different in today's world. You get a college degree and employers still want 5+ years of relative work experience. A college degree just gets your foot in the door, as in possibly getting an interview after applying for 50+ jobs. A college degree today equates to a high school diploma 50 years ago. It's almost like the bare minimum you need today to get good jobs. People oftentimes still have to go to a trade school after college.

Years back I was talking with a girl in some admin building at a local junior college, and she made a statement; "You can't get anything [a job] with an associates degree." But at one time you could get a decent job with an associates degree. And a better job with a bachelors. And an even better job with a masters. But that's not much the case anymore, as far as a I know. It does depend on the field.

But at one time in the US high school graduates could go work at a local factory or some local business and earn an okay living. Not a good living, but a living. Things were I lived are just too expensive for that. You need multiple jobs or to live with your parents.

A film director I worked for, I won't name him, laughed and didn't believe me when I told him that one of his workers was living and paying rent for a two bedroom apartment with six other people. Another guy I knew was sharing a loft with twelve other people, all of whom were sharing the rent. And that was over twenty years ago. It's only gotten worse since then.

So ... I don't know. It's not just immigrant families that share the home with lots of families. It's ordinary everyday people. The guy sharing a two bedroom apartment was in his mid to late thirties. So ... what does that tell you?

If you're an English Major, and have your bachelors, you can hired for a variety of jobs. If you majored in some specific history or science, you'll have a harder time. And an even harder time if you want to start a family.

Manufacturing is, from what I understand, slowly coming back to the US. So that may help. I don't know.

[Stingray_tm]

The American Dream is a social construct that prevents people from accomplising actual improvements in society.
Anything that would benefit society as a whole (like universal healthcare) is seen as a danger to the freedom that let's people fulfill their potential and becomie rich. But this is an illusion. Only a extremely small percentage of people will actually get rich just by hard work while the rest will eternaly be poor and kept from promoting actual change, because they see themselves as something like temporarily embarassed millionares who are only going through a phase until they eventually strike gold. So they don't want those changes that would benefit them NOW, because they think these changes will hurt them LATER when they are rich. But they will never be rich.
Also problematic is the notion, that anybody can be a millionare if he is only working hard enought. But if everybody was a millionare, nobody would be rich. If everybody can buy a Ferrari, than it is just a car.

Thus this mythos of the American Dream only surves a purpose for already rich people who protect themselves from the masses demanding more social and financial equality.

[Xero_Daxter]

This is why we should be communist. Everyone is equal financially and gets the same thing.

If you get a cookie then I get a cookie. If you get a flatscreen tv then I get a flatscreen tv.

It’s like that teacher in school who says “I hope you have enough to share for everyone”.

[Stingray_tm]

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

This is why we should be communist. Everyone is equal financially and gets the same thing.

If you get a cookie then I get a cookie. If you get a flatscreen tv then I get a flatscreen tv.

It’s like that teacher in school who says “I hope you have enough to share for everyone”.

Not necessarly. Incendives to a certain degree are good and useful.

I really like how Norway seems to be doing. Yes, they have millionares and rich people too, but they don't have Elon Musk types with more money then they could ever eat and who are worth more than many African Nations combined. But the average Norwegian, is very well off and enjoys a high standard of living. Norway's wealth is more evenly distributed.

I don't have an issue with single-digit millionares in society. I have a huge problem with multi-millionares or even billionares. I mean at the end of the day, it's just a number in a bank account for them. They won't feel the difference between 300 and 400 million dollars in their lives. This is insane. There should be a limit.

This is why Russian oligarchs get their megayachts, which they then don't use. They simply do not know what to do with their money.

[Xero_Daxter]

Originally posted by Stingray_tm:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

This is why we should be communist. Everyone is equal financially and gets the same thing.

If you get a cookie then I get a cookie. If you get a flatscreen tv then I get a flatscreen tv.

It’s like that teacher in school who says “I hope you have enough to share for everyone”.

Not necessarly. Incendives to a certain degree are good and useful.

I really like how Norway seems to be doing. Yes, they have millionares and rich people too, but they don't have Elon Musk types with more money then they could ever eat and who are worth more than many African Nations combined. But the average Norwegian, is very well off and enjoys a high standard of living. Norway's wealth is more evenly distributed.

I don't have an issue with single-digit millionares in society. I have a huge problem with multi-millionares or even billionares. I mean at the end of the day, it's just a number in a bank account for them. They won't feel the difference between 300 or 400 million dollars in their lives. This is insane.

Who needs a billion dollars anyways? That’s like… 1000 millions.

[Xero_Daxter]

Originally posted by Eld3r:

Originally posted by Xero_Daxter:

This is why we should be communist. Everyone is equal financially and gets the same thing.

If you get a cookie then I get a cookie. If you get a flatscreen tv then I get a flatscreen tv.

It’s like that teacher in school who says “I hope you have enough to share for everyone”.

didnt you imply you make at least $100,000 by being in the top 18% of earners?

you would not get that much under communism

My comment was a joke. And I don’t actually make 100,000 dollars a year. I’m actually unemployed making a living from my cosplays which I post in *redacted* .com.