What's your opinion of the American Dream?

[Mega Ultra Chicken]

It is and has always been a fictitious concept in my opinion. The American Dream means whatever makes a person happy. The middle class in America needs to stop shrinking though.

[WraithTargundaMajarie]

Początkowo opublikowane przez I'm too Hot:

It is and has always been a fictitious concept in my opinion. The American Dream means whatever makes a person happy. The middle class in America needs to stop shrinking though.

The American Dream used to be to reach a
part of your life in order to live comfortably Free...

Today, the American Dream is to find the Dream somewhere else...


Pretty much sums it up...


If you wake up in the morning, go to sleep at night,
& wake up the next morning, & the entire World is
still there, & in one piece, & you family is still there??

Clearly your not the reason for anything wrong with it...

And that is good enugh for me, so say
the World can be many things, it can
be loved, it can be hated, but at the
End of the Day... The important part
is to have a portion of Power over it
& actually not use it for harmful reasons,
& that is how you can genually know
when Someone is great in Power, &
when Someone should be nowhere near it...

[Magma Dragoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDb1GmeZ0U0

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Eld3r:

my statement is not pompous and i am from the US

So You got millions of dollars through hard work and perseverance?

Anyways - i don´t think that the American dream is about making money, while the actual dream might have changed over the decades and centuries - so nowadays it´s no more about freedom or certain lifestyles, but only about money as people can´t handle other concepts to measure happiness and satisfaction any more and people only identify by their bank account and material possessions.

There´s data that actual wealth is more connected to the background of the family in the U.S. compared to Europe. So if it was about that kind of American dream, that "anybody can make it", it´s more likely to happen outside of the U.S. And the U.S. isn´t the country any more to which You can move, and just build a house anywhere You want to build up Your own little dream or vision of life - which is perhaps the origins of it. Back then when people fled Europe, because it wasn´t possible there any more, as every square inch was owned by someone - usually nobility...

[dyinggg]

I don't think what we ended up with is what the people who created this country intended, but I could be wrong about that, nothing is really surprising tbh. I would be less inclined to blame them for their mistakes, but more so to appreciate what has been built by observing it to learn it and then communicating what I see. I think what we have could be made more like the initial vision, should I be anywhere near close to understanding what they tried to build. I dunno. It doesn't really matter what I think in the grand scheme of things, but in 20 to 50 years if things don't turn out so good, people may look back and say..."there were few"

[Shocker]

If Crooked Joe Biden will remain the president than it will be an American Nightmare, but more of a Worldwide Nightmare. Crooked Joe Biden and his corrupt democrat leaders must be stopped.

[Arvaos]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Heraclius Caesar:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Xero_Daxter:

If America isn't the perfect country to make bazillion dollars then where?

Somewhere in Europe or the UK

South America/Asia if you're a little more bold & adventurous

The United States has one of the highest numbers of entrepreneurs due to its vibrant startup culture and access to venture capital.

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Eld3r:

do you think it is not possible?

Of course it´s possible, but it´s not the norm for people who work hard and preserve some of the money, as they barely earn enough to keep up with the costs, so there is no spare money for investments. Most rich people are rich because they either got money gifted, or they inherited it.

Also it´s harder nowadays than a couple of decades ago. Nowadays You need the right certifications or social networks. And work which was paid well is now either low wage work, which is outsourced to a sub company, or not even present any more, because it´s outsourced to some other country or replaced by machines.

[WraithTargundaMajarie]

It's kinda like saying, you want to win monopoly @the start of the game.


That is kinda what Many Governments & STEAM it's self,
are making it sound like what they want to be doing right now...

Their Goals in Life are too focused on who can reach the top
of the Power Grid the fastest, anyway they so wish to reach it,
even if that means to do bad things to get there...

That is not a form of responsibility,
& that is not how you hold a Power
in the World for a good purpose...

It's dangerous, & it puts People in harms way...

It's entirely reckless...

This is a lot of why I always say Joe Biden is mentally ill...

There are other reasons, too...


You can either learn to love life, or want to burn life down??
It's People's choice, but regardless of which People choose,
poor choices do come with consequences sooner or later,
& the longer they aren't dealt with, & the more they roam
out of Control, those consequences build up, & over time
they become more of a burden, & more harmful to those
who actually recieved them, & in some cases if you can't
get out of them, you end up loosing, & you have no one to
blame, but yourself, & your actions...

I like to live comfortably in the middle of that statement,
it allows me to see the World a lot more Open that way
from all sides of life, & I don't like to lean on the idea that
one side deserves better then the other, simply, because
it's important to understand the side your against before
you start going against it, otherwise your just going around
blaming things on People when you might actually be wrong,
& don't even know it, simply cause you don't know...

Just randomly accusing People isn't a good way to handle this at all...
So that is why I like to sit comfortably in the middle somewhere of
this statement here...

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Arvaos:

The United States has one of the highest numbers of entrepreneurs due to its vibrant startup culture and access to venture capital.

Yes - and most of these entrepreneurs come from wealthy families. It´s somehow easier to take risks if Your finances are secure anyways...

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Eld3r:

well, i am quite a bit older than most here and my salary steadily increased after leaving the military

Yes i know - that´s why i wrote that. ;o)

Nowadays it´s not that easy to work the way up, as You´re stuck at a certain point when You lack certain certificates, while with these certificates You start higher in the hierarchy by default. And some people can work as hard as they want - they wouldn´t get these, as they´re not able enough. Of course there are always exceptions, or people who have some luck.

We can´t measure hard work any more, as it´s not about the hours put into it, and it´s hard to compare the actual work of two people doing different things, while the income of people is not connected to their input any more. Most money is made on the financial market - not with actual work. The worth of it is ten times more than that of the actual physical products and services. Which means that hard work means not much nowadays, as You can make 10 times the money with investments, which i wouldn´t consider as work at all...

Like the financial market tripled it´s value since 2003, while the salaries of the hard workers didn´t triple with it - instead they complain about raised costs of living and talk about higher minimum wage, or having a minimum wage to begin with...

[Arvaos]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Triple G:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Arvaos:

The United States has one of the highest numbers of entrepreneurs due to its vibrant startup culture and access to venture capital.

Yes - and most of these entrepreneurs come from wealthy families. It´s somehow easier to take risks if Your finances are secure anyways...

But it's how Americans vote? Genuine social democrats are labelled as unelectable "communists".

I don't think you guys even have a labour party.

Social mobility has declined sharply since the 1970's and it's very difficult if you are in the bottom 50% but you still keep voting for the same system.

[Violeta]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Arvaos:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Triple G:

Yes - and most of these entrepreneurs come from wealthy families. It´s somehow easier to take risks if Your finances are secure anyways...

But it's how Americans vote? Genuine social democrats are labelled as unelectable "communists".

I don't think you guys even have a labour party.

Social mobility has declined sharply since the 1970's and it's very difficult if you are in the bottom 50% but you still keep voting for the same system.

The Left is the labour party

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Origin:

The Left is the labour party

In the U.S there are only two right parties though - one of which is called left for distinction reasons i guess.

I´m unsure which party there is about regulations about work. It´s more about freedom of (private) companies - not about freedom of the whole society, which only works with regulations, as else it´s about the good will of money orientated people and businesses, which is perhaps a bit Utopian to think to exist if it doesn´t make more money...

But on the bright side: In Europe the actual left parties and ideas are declining as well, and anything social has been reduced over the last decades - in favor of private companies and privatizing stuff to show off the incompetence of the governments, as they´re not able to make it cheaper and more costumer orientated, even if they could save all the competition, and high salaries and earnings of investors and higher ups. That´s a measurement on how much value the stupidity of the bureaucrats has, while none of these have to pay back this money to the societies, but instead they still get paid by them till they die, because none of them got fired for it, just because they´re unable to do their jobs, either...

TL;DR:
American labor party: dissolved 1956.

[Violeta]

The left is the party of socialism, marxism, wellfare for the poor. It almost pushed in universal healthcare with obama. How does it get any more Labor than that?

The only thing really wrong with it, is it listens to lobbies over people. But thats a flaw of the system where you need massive amounts of money to win elections.

[Shocker]

If you want an American Dream, get Crooked Joe Biden and his POS leaders out of the White House.