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Defenestration 2024年6月24日 6時05分

Which means any post is allowed as long as it doesn't do the following:
1. Post porn
2. Violate United States law
3. Incite immediate direct violence, raids, or doxxing

Wouldn't it be nice that everyone can freely post their thoughts without the threat of being unnecessarily silenced?

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Blunt Raps 2024年6月24日 17時06分

Want me to prove it?
I can click the report button beside your name, for seemingly no reason, and show u how easy it is to abuse.

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Crazy Tiger 2024年6月24日 17時16分

Blunt Raps の投稿を引用：
Want me to prove it?
I can click the report button beside your name, for seemingly no reason, and show u how easy it is to abuse.

Making a report doesn't mean action will be taken.

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Blunt Raps 2024年6月24日 17時19分

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Blunt Raps の投稿を引用：
Want me to prove it?
I can click the report button beside your name, for seemingly no reason, and show u how easy it is to abuse.
Making a report doesn't mean action will be taken.

It does if there person has any ban history at all. Its partially automated.

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MinionJoe 2024年6月24日 17時22分

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Making a report doesn't mean action will be taken.
It does if there person has any ban history at all. Its partially automated.

The automated system does seem to "error on the side of caution" with accounts having previous bans. Nothing I can quantify conclusively though.

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Blunt Raps 2024年6月24日 17時31分

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Blunt Raps の投稿を引用：
It does if there person has any ban history at all. Its partially automated.
The automated system does seem to "error on the side of caution" with accounts having previous bans. Nothing I can quantify conclusively though.

My last ban was for saying something along the lines of, "i dont feel like being harassed today, please stop pinging me" (with the 'please' and everything.)... Banned. Took 3 tickets for someone to look at it and apologize for the automated ban.

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always superspecial 2024年6月24日 17時32分

There are opinions that you should keep to yourself or get a lover to whom you can say those things without any problem. Why do you need to share controversial thoughts with strangers? Do you want to find friends like you? There are places.

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Blunt Raps 2024年6月24日 17時33分

Steam doesnt like to overturn bans from hubs with their own moderation either. Which plays a part in automated bans.

Once got a ban for "ILLEGAL ACTIVITY" for posting a comparison video of a game launched from steam vs a denuvo bypass.

Illegal activity? Lol. Gtfoh and fix ur game.

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bluesky66621 2024年6月24日 18時41分

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Well you could use that same logic to say that if you don't want to deal with bullies you should find another forum.

except that steam forums have made it clear that they are against hate speech/racism.
So why would I need to find another forum when I already agree with the rules Steam has in place on these forums?

I'm not the one asking for the rules to be removed. I said the forums arent civil enough, and there should be more restrictions, not less, which is true, but the concept of civility would remain.

So it is not me that should need to find another forum, when Steam is clearly against the same things I am against, such as racism/hate speech and bullying.

Those who want complete removal of the rules should find another forum since Steam has already made their decision on the matter to not tolerate such behavior.

That's from the woke supporters which is a false narrative. What they dont like is how facebook and all the other websites I mentioned above would ban for such behavior. In turn, Steam is the only last place for a woke supporter to be in.

As part of minority groups myself, I still dont agree with woke supporters. So one can be on the right and still not spread hate. So it false narrative from the other side.

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theclaw135 2024年6月24日 21時39分

This subject is often misunderstood. While the internet as an entity is a public sphere, individual websites have owners (whose own free speech permits them to choose what to host on their servers).

However, in practice, sites with inconsistent or unfair moderation policies are detrimental to speech.

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Pocahawtness 2024年6月24日 22時09分

Defenestration の投稿を引用：
Which means any post is allowed as long as it doesn't do the following:
1. Post porn
2. Violate United States law
3. Incite immediate direct violence, raids, or doxxing

Wouldn't it be nice that everyone can freely post their thoughts without the threat of being unnecessarily silenced?

Oh, good grief, I do wish people would stop ranting about freedoms.

People never have been absolutely free to do what they want. There has never been complete freedom to say what they want. There have always been possible repercussions and consequences.

The balance changed with the internet. People say and do things on the internet that they wouldn't do when they are face-to-face. They are now struggling to define what should and should not be allowed in an apparently consequence free environment.

But it's not consequence free. Although the speaker may well be protected by anonymity, the reader is not. to my mind, the solution is simple - we should use the rules we have always used, which is to restore consequence for the speaker, and that's really easy. Remove anonymity. If you want to post on the internet then you should have to prove who you are so there can be normal consequences, just like when you are face-to-face with someone.

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Defenestration 2024年6月24日 22時43分

Pirate☠️Pocah の投稿を引用：
Defenestration の投稿を引用：
Which means any post is allowed as long as it doesn't do the following:
1. Post porn
2. Violate United States law
3. Incite immediate direct violence, raids, or doxxing

Wouldn't it be nice that everyone can freely post their thoughts without the threat of being unnecessarily silenced?

Oh, good grief, I do wish people would stop ranting about freedoms.

People never have been absolutely free to do what they want. There has never been complete freedom to say what they want. There have always been possible repercussions and consequences.

The balance changed with the internet. People say and do things on the internet that they wouldn't do when they are face-to-face. They are now struggling to define what should and should not be allowed in an apparently consequence free environment.

But it's not consequence free. Although the speaker may well be protected by anonymity, the reader is not. to my mind, the solution is simple - we should use the rules we have always used, which is to restore consequence for the speaker, and that's really easy. Remove anonymity. If you want to post on the internet then you should have to prove who you are so there can be normal consequences, just like when you are face-to-face with someone.

womp womp

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Obelisk 2024年6月24日 22時52分

Pirate☠️Pocah の投稿を引用：
Defenestration の投稿を引用：
Which means any post is allowed as long as it doesn't do the following:
1. Post porn
2. Violate United States law
3. Incite immediate direct violence, raids, or doxxing

Wouldn't it be nice that everyone can freely post their thoughts without the threat of being unnecessarily silenced?

Oh, good grief, I do wish people would stop ranting about freedoms.

People never have been absolutely free to do what they want. There has never been complete freedom to say what they want. There have always been possible repercussions and consequences.

The balance changed with the internet. People say and do things on the internet that they wouldn't do when they are face-to-face. They are now struggling to define what should and should not be allowed in an apparently consequence free environment.

But it's not consequence free. Although the speaker may well be protected by anonymity, the reader is not. to my mind, the solution is simple - we should use the rules we have always used, which is to restore consequence for the speaker, and that's really easy. Remove anonymity. If you want to post on the internet then you should have to prove who you are so there can be normal consequences, just like when you are face-to-face with someone.

No one would use the internet and it wouldn't be any fun if that was the case. People go on the internet to troll and have discussions with people of opposing viewpoints.

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Rain't 2024年6月26日 6時39分

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Stellar Butts の投稿を引用：
No one would use the internet and it wouldn't be any fun if that was the case. People go on the internet to troll and have discussions with people of opposing viewpoints.
Trolling has ruined the internet.

I don't go on the internet to entertain myself with trolling or other people trolling.

There are plenty of other reasons to go on the internet without the need to troll people.\

you even gave an example in your own post.

Some other reasons to go on the internet.

Watch Funny Videos on youtube.
Watch music videos on youtube.
Watch netflix/amazon/hulu/other streaming sites.
Discuss/Share things with like minded people. (Not every discussion has to be about opposinig view points, sometimes people like to talk about things they both love, like a TV Show or specific video game.)
Get Help with something, either a video game, or something more serious, problem in real life.
There are so many reasons to go on the internet other than to troll

I seriously don't get people that only use the internet as a Trolling Device.
I don't get the purpose of Trolling in the first place.
Why spend time trying to get people angry when you could be doing something far more productive with your time?

There's a flaw in your logic- you're presuming the people that troll in the first place are *capable* of being personable. They think it's exclusively a platform for disagreements, and when they find themselves in the wrong, the trolling is a (albeit poor, and rarely working) defence mechanism.

Note how little threads here, if any, actually end in "Wow, I didn't see things that way before" or "I never realised", etc etc

I have three theories.

Most likely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory

Second most likely:

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/12/4343240316588196164/

https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/08/02/us-literacy-rate/

Or third most likely:

People really are just that polarised nowadays because of the corporate divide and conquer strategies to prolong inequality, and prevent unity that'd cause the downfall of an unjust system. This last one is a deadly combination of the first two, but this implies that the majority of these people are actually real and this unstable

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Thadeus 2024年6月28日 6時26分

Imo, all social media platforms rules should be the same as real life laws.

That means that as long as you don't call to violence, post profanities, pornographic content, gore content, insult people, or just post useless spam, you shouldn't be able to be banned.

What is this gatekeeping based on political opinions and disrespecting people's pronouns and delusions?! Can you get a fine in real life if you call someone by their biological gender?! No?! Then it shouldn't be bannable on social media! ♥♥♥♥ THESE COWARDLY CORPORATIONS!!!!

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