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Diversity in Gaming
What is a game that portrayed diversity well in your opinion?

I love Mass Effect 2, such a diverse group of characters and cultures. It doesn't shoehorn the diversity, it is genuine.
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76561199675740425 24 JUN 2024 a las 6:42 a. m. 
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If you need to (sincerely) ask that, then it might not be possible to explain it to you. It becomes apparent automatically if you are not out of touch like the woke are.

That's a cop out. Explain it to me.

No, it's not a cop out. It's kinda hard to explain, and you are likely to dismiss it and call it "feefees" or whatever.

The way I experience it, it's just that I have a sense of what is "realistic", or what makes sense, or what is consistent/congruent. I'm not looking for it, it just sort of "jumps out at me" and bothers me. It is sort of like a feeling but I can probably more or less explain what it is about, what the thing is which doesn't make sense.

I know that not all people have this. I'm thinking of one specific movie called "Hachi" about a dog. And I thought it was such a bad movie, bad acting, bad screenplay, just altogether unconvincing. And then I saw on IMDB that it got raving reviews, 9s and 10s, by people who thought it was such a cute story. Obviously those people saw something very different from me.
gugnihr 24 JUN 2024 a las 6:44 a. m. 
Smash Bros Brawl:

Diverse cast of characters from diverse genres of videogames including two outsiders that somehow did not feel out of place (Sonic and Snake

Many different game modes that in some cases felt like entire games, there is even a single player side scrolling adventure game which is very long, quite polished and very fun to play!

A lot of diversity in the rewards and unlockables: from gameplay related content like new stages to collectible figurines and collectible stickers and even demos of older videogames that you can play!

If you talk about woke diversity well I have never played Mother 3 but there is Lucas from Mother 3 and I have read that this game has a lot of queer characters in it so I think even the wokes have something to enjoy I guess?
Chaosolous 24 JUN 2024 a las 6:50 a. m. 
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That's a cop out. Explain it to me.

No, it's not a cop out. It's kinda hard to explain, and you are likely to dismiss it and call it "feefees" or whatever.

The way I experience it, it's just that I have a sense of what is "realistic", or what makes sense, or what is consistent/congruent. I'm not looking for it, it just sort of "jumps out at me" and bothers me. It is sort of like a feeling but I can probably more or less explain what it is about, what the thing is which doesn't make sense.

I know that not all people have this. I'm thinking of one specific movie called "Hachi" about a dog. And I thought it was such a bad movie, bad acting, bad screenplay, just altogether unconvincing. And then I saw on IMDB that it got raving reviews, 9s and 10s, by people who thought it was such a cute story. Obviously those people saw something very different from me.

If I make a game that's like Ace Attorney and both my characters are black. Am I shoehorning that in or not?

It's "hard to explain" because the definition of whether or not something is "shoehorned in" is so malleable it's unironically hilarious to hear people complain about it non-stop.

You can't explain it because it's about whether or not your feelings get triggered when you see something.

If I make a game make a game where the protagonist is Asian and has a friend who's gay, am I shoehorning in or am I telling that story about those characters?

I have Asian and gay friends. I have black friends. I've got the whole spectrum of diversity at every family gathering I go to. If I write a story about any of my minority family members am I shoehorning or am I telling their story?

IT's one thing when companies deliberately race/gender swap a character from a known franchise. We all get that that's pandering.

However it sure seems like ya'll are frothing at the mouth ANY time there's ANY diversity anywhere.

Where's the line and how are you deciding what's genuine and what isn't? Are you there when they write the backgrounds on the characters? Do you know they weren't always going to be a minority?

In Prototype 2 the main character is a black guy and in Prototype 1 the protagonist (a different person) is a white guy. Did Prototype 2 pander or did they just tell the black guys story?

This is why I think it's so dumb. Ya'll don't have defined lines, it's just whether or not you feel triggered. Coming from the group who has so adamantly been the "♥♥♥♥ your feelings" crew.
Última edición por Chaosolous; 24 JUN 2024 a las 6:52 a. m.
76561199675740425 24 JUN 2024 a las 6:57 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaosolous:
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No, it's not a cop out. It's kinda hard to explain, and you are likely to dismiss it and call it "feefees" or whatever.

The way I experience it, it's just that I have a sense of what is "realistic", or what makes sense, or what is consistent/congruent. I'm not looking for it, it just sort of "jumps out at me" and bothers me. It is sort of like a feeling but I can probably more or less explain what it is about, what the thing is which doesn't make sense.

I know that not all people have this. I'm thinking of one specific movie called "Hachi" about a dog. And I thought it was such a bad movie, bad acting, bad screenplay, just altogether unconvincing. And then I saw on IMDB that it got raving reviews, 9s and 10s, by people who thought it was such a cute story. Obviously those people saw something very different from me.

If I make a game that's like Ace Attorney and both my characters are black. Am I shoehorning that in or not?

It's "hard to explain" because the definition of whether or not something is "shoehorned in" is so malleable it's unironically hilarious to hear people complain about it non-stop.

You can't explain it because it's about whether or not your feelings get triggered when you see something.

If I make a game make a game where the protagonist is Asian and has a friend who's gay, am I shoehorning in or am I telling that story about those characters?

I have Asian and gay friends. I have black friends. I've got the whole spectrum of diversity at every family gathering I go to. If I write a story about any of my minority family members am I shoehorning or am I telling their story?

IT's one thing when companies deliberately race/gender swap a character from a known franchise. We all get that that's pandering.

However it sure seems like ya'll are frothing at the mouth ANY time there's ANY diversity anywhere.

Where's the line and how are you deciding what's genuine and what isn't? Are you there when they write the backgrounds on the characters? Do you know they weren't always going to be a minority?

In Prototype 2 the main character is a black guy and in Prototype 1 the protagonist (a different person) is a white guy. Did Prototype 2 pander or did they just tell the black guys story?

This is why I think it's so dumb. Ya'll don't have defined lines, it's just whether or not you feel triggered. Coming from the group who has so adamantly been the "♥♥♥♥ your feelings" crew.

See, I told you you would respond like this. You present a hypothetical to me, as if I would be able to tell just by that. Which means you don't understand it at all, and you're not going to understand it no matter what I say. It's like explaining colors to a blind person.
Duck Twacy 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:00 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Arvaos:
What is a game that portrayed diversity well in your opinion?

I love Mass Effect 2, such a diverse group of characters and cultures. It doesn't shoehorn the diversity, it is genuine.
Intentionally? None.

If a game had a variety of social groups in many roles simply or the sake of it, I would not buy it. If it had characters who were diverse because that's what the author wanted, then big deal, I might chance it it it were looked good.

Right now games are hacked to death, and just aren't enjoyable anymore in MP, so I stick with SP games.
Arvaos 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:14 a. m. 
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As far as EA games go, Dragon Age: Origins was the same.

For other games, pretty much most good RPGs that have fantasy races too.

One of my favourites as well.
gugnihr 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:18 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Chaosolous:
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No, it's not a cop out. It's kinda hard to explain, and you are likely to dismiss it and call it "feefees" or whatever.

The way I experience it, it's just that I have a sense of what is "realistic", or what makes sense, or what is consistent/congruent. I'm not looking for it, it just sort of "jumps out at me" and bothers me. It is sort of like a feeling but I can probably more or less explain what it is about, what the thing is which doesn't make sense.

I know that not all people have this. I'm thinking of one specific movie called "Hachi" about a dog. And I thought it was such a bad movie, bad acting, bad screenplay, just altogether unconvincing. And then I saw on IMDB that it got raving reviews, 9s and 10s, by people who thought it was such a cute story. Obviously those people saw something very different from me.

If I make a game that's like Ace Attorney and both my characters are black. Am I shoehorning that in or not?

It's "hard to explain" because the definition of whether or not something is "shoehorned in" is so malleable it's unironically hilarious to hear people complain about it non-stop.

You can't explain it because it's about whether or not your feelings get triggered when you see something.

If I make a game make a game where the protagonist is Asian and has a friend who's gay, am I shoehorning in or am I telling that story about those characters?

I have Asian and gay friends. I have black friends. I've got the whole spectrum of diversity at every family gathering I go to. If I write a story about any of my minority family members am I shoehorning or am I telling their story?

IT's one thing when companies deliberately race/gender swap a character from a known franchise. We all get that that's pandering.

However it sure seems like ya'll are frothing at the mouth ANY time there's ANY diversity anywhere.

Where's the line and how are you deciding what's genuine and what isn't? Are you there when they write the backgrounds on the characters? Do you know they weren't always going to be a minority?

In Prototype 2 the main character is a black guy and in Prototype 1 the protagonist (a different person) is a white guy. Did Prototype 2 pander or did they just tell the black guys story?

This is why I think it's so dumb. Ya'll don't have defined lines, it's just whether or not you feel triggered. Coming from the group who has so adamantly been the "♥♥♥♥ your feelings" crew.

It depends, if every company put this kind of characters in their games because there is one specific company that is paid just to tell them which character they have to put in their game to receive a better treatment in the current economic system then yes it is shoehorned.
Arvaos 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:20 a. m. 
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What is a game that portrayed diversity well in your opinion?

I love Mass Effect 2, such a diverse group of characters and cultures. It doesn't shoehorn the diversity, it is genuine.
Why the second part?
Btw. maybe Stellaris...? But I pushed the big red button. :steamhappy:

I love the first as well but I felt the character development is stronger in the second game.
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Rain't 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:26 a. m. 
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I love Mass Effect 2, such a diverse group of characters and cultures. It doesn't shoehorn the diversity, it is genuine.

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Phirestar 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:27 a. m. 
Nothing really comes to mind.

To be fair though, a lot of the games that I play tend to feature a large amount of non-human characters, so that may be why.
Chaosolous 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:28 a. m. 
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If I make a game that's like Ace Attorney and both my characters are black. Am I shoehorning that in or not?

It's "hard to explain" because the definition of whether or not something is "shoehorned in" is so malleable it's unironically hilarious to hear people complain about it non-stop.

You can't explain it because it's about whether or not your feelings get triggered when you see something.

If I make a game make a game where the protagonist is Asian and has a friend who's gay, am I shoehorning in or am I telling that story about those characters?

I have Asian and gay friends. I have black friends. I've got the whole spectrum of diversity at every family gathering I go to. If I write a story about any of my minority family members am I shoehorning or am I telling their story?

IT's one thing when companies deliberately race/gender swap a character from a known franchise. We all get that that's pandering.

However it sure seems like ya'll are frothing at the mouth ANY time there's ANY diversity anywhere.

Where's the line and how are you deciding what's genuine and what isn't? Are you there when they write the backgrounds on the characters? Do you know they weren't always going to be a minority?

In Prototype 2 the main character is a black guy and in Prototype 1 the protagonist (a different person) is a white guy. Did Prototype 2 pander or did they just tell the black guys story?

This is why I think it's so dumb. Ya'll don't have defined lines, it's just whether or not you feel triggered. Coming from the group who has so adamantly been the "♥♥♥♥ your feelings" crew.

It depends, if every company put this kind of characters in their games because there is one specific company that is paid just to tell them which character they have to put in their game to receive a better treatment in the current economic system then yes it is shoehorned.

I know. I followed a lot of that and it seems like a lot of people are upset about speculation. What that individual said is problematic but I have yet to see any decisive proof of any interference where something was forced to change.

All I see is speculation and people crying over their presumptions based on their own feelings of bias.

It's really ironic considering the people upset.
sage2001 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:29 a. m. 
Tekken did it in a way where it felt tasteful for each character. one of my favorite examples is Leo
ℭycaleo 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:30 a. m. 
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Why the second part?
Btw. maybe Stellaris...? But I pushed the big red button. :steamhappy:

I love the first as well but I felt the character development is stronger in the second game.
Did you play the 3th part... and if so...
what was your final decision?
craigsters 24 JUN 2024 a las 7:33 a. m. 
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What is a game that portrayed diversity well in your opinion?

I love Mass Effect 2, such a diverse group of characters and cultures. It doesn't shoehorn the diversity, it is genuine.


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Chaosolous 24 JUN 2024 a las 8:07 a. m. 
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I'm far from triggered, I'm usually pretty calm when I point out hypocrisy due to it's hilarity. Hard to be triggered when I'm laughing so much. Haha.

You folks don't see you're doing the exact thing you're complaining about and it's wild to me.

I'm sure you even actually believe that. That's the problem with you people: You have zero self-awareness. Or any kind of awareness really. You even have the gall to call others hypocritical. It was funny at first, but now it is just annoying. I almost can't even blame you for it because it is just pure ignorance.

I'm an independent so don't lump me in with the folks you're secretly on the same coin with.

I watch from the sidelines; you're all insane on either side, but your side is particularly blind to their own hypocrisy in a lot of cases.

The other side's got their issues too but this isn't about them right now.

Flail your arms all you want every time you can't stand what you're looking at and say you're not triggered but you're just as sensitive as the people you speak down on.
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