54% of Americans from ages 16-74 read below a 6th grade reading level.

[𝚁̶̷𝟹̶̷𝙰̶̷𝙻̶̷]

I don't think I've ever been more ashamed of my country being under 30, without a college education and seeing so many American's whose profession should have them retaining better language and critical thinking skills, but don't.

It's not just that the way we communicate has changed, people are beginning to not be able to decipher simple sentences.

Why do I have to break out so much childish terminology for adults?

[talemore]

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What are the parallels between elementary education and white supremacy? This might be a topic worth exploring.

I don't know... just seems silly to me. Being able to read, write and do math is essential for everyone, not only being able to read and write but the ability too string complete sentences together.

This is not only a american things, it's happening in the UK as well. Seem the liberals want to create a underclass of people who are unable to communicate effectively or even be able to do sums or figure out how to fully understand money.

Many times you hear stories about people taking loans they can't pay.

By law they wouldn't be let to make the agreement if they can't read the contract.

For this reason when you open games for the first time they ask you to have read the agreement and accept that you have read the contract. The issue with it is that how could I read that I have read the contract if I can't read.

Now take it in a big scale of things, banks give loans to people because they can read.

Math doesn't help since it's no longer about math what decide. It's about the community who decide if your investment goes good or bad. Every loan is the sacrifice of the future, every time you make an investment you sacrifice the present and the future in hope or by chance that what you do will be success. You don't need math any longer. You just need the community.

With mathematic every one would live in the woods and never pay anything to anyone.
And only collect and never give anything back. For the simple reason that if knowledge has any value it would be priceless which is not the case. Knowledge is sold and paid.

If we truly turned the wheel everyone today are living on winter reserves. I don't see this as logic how people are working the entire year for winter. Is the knowledge really helping. No matter how much given the pin never moves.

One may say that it be dreadful for the elite having monopoly on literacy. They have monopoly on everything and the only thing you can do with reading is ruining your own future since reading is used as a weapon to make people take loans.

What in the end has ended civilization is that too many given too much. So what remained of the previous knowledge was lost. We can read records from lawyers from the ancient rome. It was never math who ruined Rome, it didn't save them even with their knowledge about construction and Mathematics it was community of people who decide to end the empire by converting the Rome coins.

It's not the world who makes the price on a single product rise in price like meat or egg or oil but monopoly on the product.

[SvarogX]

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I don't know... just seems silly to me. Being able to read, write and do math is essential for everyone, not only being able to read and write but the ability too string complete sentences together.

This is not only a american things, it's happening in the UK as well. Seem the liberals want to create a underclass of people who are unable to communicate effectively or even be able to do sums or figure out how to fully understand money.

Many times you hear stories about people taking loans they can't pay.

By law they wouldn't be let to make the agreement if they can't read the contract.

For this reason when you open games for the first time they ask you to have read the agreement and accept that you have read the contract. The issue with it is that how could I read that I have read the contract if I can't read.

Now take it in a big scale of things, banks give loans to people because they can read.

Math doesn't help since it's no longer about math what decide. It's about the community who decide if your investment goes good or bad. Every loan is the sacrifice of the future, every time you make an investment you sacrifice the present and the future in hope or by chance that what you do will be success. You don't need math any longer. You just need the community.

With mathematic every one would live in the woods and never pay anything to anyone.
And only collect and never give anything back. For the simple reason that if knowledge has any value it would be priceless which is not the case. Knowledge is sold and paid.

If we truly turned the wheel everyone today are living on winter reserves. I don't see this as logic how people are working the entire year for winter. Is the knowledge really helping. No matter how much given the pin never moves.

One may say that it be dreadful for the elite having monopoly on literacy. They have monopoly on everything and the only thing you can do with reading is ruining your own future since reading is used as a weapon to make people take loans.

What in the end has ended civilization is that too many given too much. So what remained of the previous knowledge was lost. We can read records from lawyers from the ancient rome. It was never math who ruined Rome, it didn't save them even with their knowledge about construction and Mathematics it was community of people who decide to end the empire by converting the Rome coins.

It's not the world who makes the price on a single product rise in price like meat or egg or oil but monopoly on the product.

What are you guys even talking about ?

Are you guys complaining about people who have more money, have more access to higher education ? Are you complaining about people who pay more, get more ?

[Candyy]

I am not american, but I have reading difficulties so I can somehow relate 🤔

[Unexpected]

the dumbing down of society is a very scary thing to witness, so many kids are functionally illiterate and otherwise scoring obscenely low GPAs. i worry for the next generation

[Ganger]

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I don't know... just seems silly to me. Being able to read, write and do math is essential for everyone, not only being able to read and write but the ability too string complete sentences together.

This is not only a american things, it's happening in the UK as well. Seem the liberals want to create a underclass of people who are unable to communicate effectively or even be able to do sums or figure out how to fully understand money.

Many times you hear stories about people taking loans they can't pay.

By law they wouldn't be let to make the agreement if they can't read the contract.

For this reason when you open games for the first time they ask you to have read the agreement and accept that you have read the contract. The issue with it is that how could I read that I have read the contract if I can't read.

Now take it in a big scale of things, banks give loans to people because they can read.

Math doesn't help since it's no longer about math what decide. It's about the community who decide if your investment goes good or bad. Every loan is the sacrifice of the future, every time you make an investment you sacrifice the present and the future in hope or by chance that what you do will be success. You don't need math any longer. You just need the community.

With mathematic every one would live in the woods and never pay anything to anyone.
And only collect and never give anything back. For the simple reason that if knowledge has any value it would be priceless which is not the case. Knowledge is sold and paid.

How many people read the contracts when signing up for a loan ? not many I would say. I never used too in my younger days (I do now).

You go buy a car and the salesman talks through the basics, applies pressure and then gives you the piece of paper to sign, bang you sign it there and then. Same with bank loans, these sales people know you aren't going to read the full terms and conditions.

I went to part ex my old car for a new one just before christmas, he didn't want to discuss the APR and long term interest etc, he only focused on the monthly payment. I don't play them games anymore, I need to know the full story of what im getting intoo. The moment I said I need to go home and look things over, his mood changed. He knew dam well, once I read through the contract, I wasn't going to sign. Good job too, high interest rates and BS conditions

The system doesn't care if you can read

[Fumo Bnnuy n Frends]

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I don't think I've ever been more ashamed of my country being under 30, without a college education and seeing so many American's whose profession should have them retaining better language and critical thinking skills, but don't.

It's not just that the way we communicate has changed, people are beginning to not be able to decipher simple sentences.

Why do I have to break out so much childish terminology for adults?

stats are general not 100%

find the focus study group and where it was conducted.

if you have say in the middle of nowhere obviously illiteracy will be an issue
vs
say an inner city
or
a prestigious private school

read the bias

[PaulKrawitz]

One would think that writing and reading are basic skills... but I guess that doesn't apply to everyone.

[Heatblizzard]

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I think most are too drugged out to know what's going on one moment to the next and so are the enemies as they party themselves to death. Soon most will die or have serious liver damage from their binge drinking as it catches up to them.

Im from the UK, In my kids schools, kids are allow to have time out if they feel stress or pressured. My daughter brings her mobile phone into school and uses it during class time, there is one kids who is allowed to go outside and vape.... plus they mixing badly behaved children in the same class as the good kids who want to learn (doesn't make sense to me).

Makes me so angry knowing the system is trying to fail children, lucky im do my upmost best to show my kids the right way and I believe it's paying off as she is quite brainy.

It's like the system wants kids to fail.

En the UK? I thought it was just a stupid American thing. I was in a small town school so it wasn't anywhere near as bad as the cities but that was the early 00s.

[Ulfrinn]

Didn't we just have this thread a month ago or so? And wasn't it quickly disproven?

[Rain't]

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Didn't we just have this thread a month ago or so? And wasn't it quickly disproven?

You not being able to find the sources in the thread is ironic proof in itself

[Xero_Daxter]

I bet OP pronounces “epitome” as “ep-ih-tome”.

[Devsman]

Every time I hear "you did good" I wanna punch some holes in some paper.

[Xero_Daxter]

OP is the type of guy who says “a bunch of minutes”.

[Ulfrinn]

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Didn't we just have this thread a month ago or so? And wasn't it quickly disproven?

You not being able to find the sources in the thread is ironic proof in itself

Sources? There was a report that claimed 46% of Americans can not read at a level 3 reading level. These reports and the department of education do not attribute grades to these levels. The writer writing the article, unscientifically attributed "level 3" to meaning 6th grade when there's nothing official making that link. There are three levels of literacy as described below. Keep in mind the study says 46% read at a level 3, about 75% attain level 2. To be completely illiterate you'd have to fail to attain level 1.

The average PIAAC score for adults 16-65 recorded last tested in 2017 was 271, which places it right at the level 2/level 3 boundary. That's well above 6th grade.

1 0-225

Adults at this level can be considered at risk for difficulties using or comprehending print material. Adults at the upper end of this level can read short texts, in print or online, and understand the meaning well enough to perform simple tasks, such as filling out a short form, but drawing inferences or combining multiple sources of text may be too difficult. Adults who are below Level 1 may only be able to understand very basic vocabulary or find very specific information on a familiar topic. Some adults below Level 1 may struggle even to do this and may be functionally illiterate.

2 226-275

Adults at this level can be considered nearing proficiency but still struggling to perform tasks with text-based information. Such adults may be able to read print and digital texts, relate multiple pieces of information within or across a couple of documents, compare and contrast, and draw simple inferences. They can navigate in a digital environment to access key information, such as finding two main benefits of one product over another. However, more complex inferencing and evaluation may be too difficult.

3 276+

Adults at this level can be considered proficient at working with information and ideas in texts. Their higher literacy skills range from the ability to understand, interpret, and synthesize information across multiple, complex texts to the ability to evaluate the reliability of sources and infer sophisticated meanings and complex ideas from written sources.

[Rain't]

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You not being able to find the sources in the thread is ironic proof in itself

Sources? There was a report that claimed 46% of Americans can not read at a level 3 reading level. These reports and the department of education do not attribute grades to these levels. The writer writing the article, unscientifically attributed "level 3" to meaning 6th grade when there's nothing official making that link. There are three levels of literacy as described below. Keep in mind the study says 46% read at a level 3, about 75% attain level 2. To be completely illiterate you'd have to fail to attain level 1.

The average PIAAC score for adults 16-65 recorded last tested in 2017 was 271, which places it right at the level 2/level 3 boundary. That's well above 6th grade.

1 0-225

Adults at this level can be considered at risk for difficulties using or comprehending print material. Adults at the upper end of this level can read short texts, in print or online, and understand the meaning well enough to perform simple tasks, such as filling out a short form, but drawing inferences or combining multiple sources of text may be too difficult. Adults who are below Level 1 may only be able to understand very basic vocabulary or find very specific information on a familiar topic. Some adults below Level 1 may struggle even to do this and may be functionally illiterate.

2 226-275

Adults at this level can be considered nearing proficiency but still struggling to perform tasks with text-based information. Such adults may be able to read print and digital texts, relate multiple pieces of information within or across a couple of documents, compare and contrast, and draw simple inferences. They can navigate in a digital environment to access key information, such as finding two main benefits of one product over another. However, more complex inferencing and evaluation may be too difficult.

3 276+

Adults at this level can be considered proficient at working with information and ideas in texts. Their higher literacy skills range from the ability to understand, interpret, and synthesize information across multiple, complex texts to the ability to evaluate the reliability of sources and infer sophisticated meanings and complex ideas from written sources.

A wall of text means nothing when you don't grasp context. They're talking about school grades- y'know, like K-12?