Fatphobia

[Arvaos]

How do you feel about fat people?

Do you think mandatory exercise by law is fatphobic or do you promote fat people?

[Xero_Daxter]

Idk about you guys but no matter how much I eat I cannot gain weight. Doctor said it was my high metabolism. The only way I can gain weight is if I gain muscle mass.

[Goldias]

Hate myself for being one.

[GlaceonChireiden]

Fat people are no different than skinny people. Sometimes they're in control of it (poor eating), and sometimes they aren't (medical condition preventing them from losing weight). They aren't inherently worse or different, they should be treated the same.

Just as long as they aren't super weird about it or turn it into a fetish, anyways. Then they start being kind of annoying.

I don't really think mandatory exercise would do much. Being active isn't the only reason people are/aren't fat, it's also a dietary thing. You can work out all you want but if you eat junk food all your life then you will still put on some pounds. Plus there's no way to actually impose mandatory exercise, so that's kind of a silly thing to even suggest at all lol.

[Mina]

Funny jokes

[The Commendatore]

Sigh...

First you went all "just get in a relationship" to magically fix lonely men.
Now it's "just go to the gym to fix being overweight" even though that's not how it works.

Next thread? If you're homeless, just buy a house. *Bops head with bottle* Duh.

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Originalmente postado por The Commendatore:

Sigh...

First you went all "just get in a relationship" to magically fix lonely men.
Now it's "just go to the gym to fix being overweight" even though that's not how it works.

Next thread? If you're homeless, just buy a house. *Bops head with bottle* Duh.

Ah but it does work when gov sends someone to point a gun at you, that's the genius part of this whole plan which will make it succeed.

[Morkonan]

Just a note about people who are "fat" and how much they eat...

For many of them, it's just not as easy as "stop eating so much." So, what a fit, young, slim person may "recommend" with disdain... is usually not going to benefit them and is, IMO, often just used as an opportunity to cast some aspersions their way. Even those that have solved their obesity problem may have taken routes to that which will not so be so easy to be successful for others.

Fat people who want to loose weight often have a much better understanding of nutrition, metabolism, and exercise/caloric expenditure, than many other people do. They've often dived deep into tons of studies, literature, sensible diets and exercise programs, etc. These are the "chronically overweight" people I'm talking about, not the "I gained a little weight" people.

There are reasons why people get fat and, not unsurprisingly, they are completely different than the reasons that non-fat people don't get fat. This should not be difficult for a sensible person to understand. Therefore, some seemingly reasonable instances that "stop eating" should be the cure-all should be understood to be not as easily attainable for a person who is chronically overweight.

Medical issues, drug interactions, even genetic predispositions, need to figure into the mix as well as the all-important mental health issues that can contribute. Socialization issues, like people who are shut-in or largely isolated due to a variety of issues also must absolutely be understood and addressed. Even socioeconomic status can play a part.

This isn't as simple as just being a "here's an example of a healthy died you fat slob" sort of thing to correct. This is not a one-dimensional problem and it often does not have a workable, binary, solution.

In order to solve a problem one must counter or mitigate what is the primary cause of the problem. If it is not addressed successfully, maintaining a problem-free situation is going to be extremely difficult.

And... that's largely the issue with chronically overweight people.

[Shlim Sady]

Originalmente postado por JustSomeLego:

Fat people are no different than skinny people. Sometimes they're in control of it (poor eating), and sometimes they aren't (medical condition preventing them from losing weight). They aren't inherently worse or different, they should be treated the same.

Just as long as they aren't super weird about it or turn it into a fetish, anyways. Then they start being kind of annoying.

I don't really think mandatory exercise would do much. Being active isn't the only reason people are/aren't fat, it's also a dietary thing. You can work out all you want but if you eat junk food all your life then you will still put on some pounds. Plus there's no way to actually impose mandatory exercise, so that's kind of a silly thing to even suggest at all lol.

Originalmente postado por The Commendatore:

Sigh...

First you went all "just get in a relationship" to magically fix lonely men.
Now it's "just go to the gym to fix being overweight" even though that's not how it works.

Next thread? If you're homeless, just buy a house. *Bops head with bottle* Duh.

Originalmente postado por Morkonan:

Just a note about people who are "fat" and how much they eat...

For many of them, it's just not as easy as "stop eating so much." So, what a fit, young, slim person may "recommend" with disdain... is usually not going to benefit them and is, IMO, often just used as an opportunity to cast some aspersions their way. Even those that have solved their obesity problem may have taken routes to that which will not so be so easy to be successful for others.

Fat people who want to loose weight often have a much better understanding of nutrition, metabolism, and exercise/caloric expenditure, than many other people do. They've often dived deep into tons of studies, literature, sensible diets and exercise programs, etc. These are the "chronically overweight" people I'm talking about, not the "I gained a little weight" people.

There are reasons why people get fat and, not unsurprisingly, they are completely different than the reasons that non-fat people don't get fat. This should not be difficult for a sensible person to understand. Therefore, some seemingly reasonable instances that "stop eating" should be the cure-all should be understood to be not as easily attainable for a person who is chronically overweight.

Medical issues, drug interactions, even genetic predispositions, need to figure into the mix as well as the all-important mental health issues that can contribute. Socialization issues, like people who are shut-in or largely isolated due to a variety of issues also must absolutely be understood and addressed. Even socioeconomic status can play a part.

This isn't as simple as just being a "here's an example of a healthy died you fat slob" sort of thing to correct. This is not a one-dimensional problem and it often does not have a workable, binary, solution.

In order to solve a problem one must counter or mitigate what is the primary cause of the problem. If it is not addressed successfully, maintaining a problem-free situation is going to be extremely difficult.

And... that's largely the issue with chronically overweight people.

Get real

Originalmente postado por https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity:

According to 2017–2018 data from the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES)

Nearly 1 in 3 adults (30.7%) are overweight..
More than 2 in 5 adults (42.4%) have obesity.
About 1 in 11 adults (9.2%) have severe obesity.

You know what that means? It means 82.3% of America is at least overweight. Stop pretending it's an edge-case.

Originalmente postado por https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity:

According to 2017–2018 NHANES data
About 1 in 6 children and adolescents ages 2 to 19 (16.1%) are overweight.3
Almost 1 in 5 children and adolescents ages 2 to 19 (19.3%) have obesity.3
About 1 in 16 children and adolescents ages 2 to 19 (6.1%) have severe obesity.3

41% of kids are at least overweight.

I've shown you the math and numbers- it's up to you to stop making excuses

Originalmente postado por Morkonan:

For many of them, it's just not as easy as "stop eating so much."

Originalmente postado por Shlim Sady:

Still seeing way too much focus on exercise, and not many people yet comprehending that the problem is largely their eating habits

Originalmente postado por https://www.calculator.net/bmr-calculator.html:

The basal metabolic rate (BMR) is the amount of energy needed while resting in a temperate environment when the digestive system is inactive. It is the equivalent of figuring out how much gas an idle car consumes while parked. In such a state, energy will be used only to maintain vital organs, which include the heart, brain, kidneys, nervous system, intestines, liver, lungs, sex organs, muscles, and skin. For most people, upwards of ~70% of total energy (calories) burned each day is due to upkeep. Physical activity makes up ~20% of expenditure and ~10% is used for the digestion of food, also known as thermogenesis.

"For most people, upwards of ~70% of total energy (calories) burned each day is due to upkeep"

About 80% of it (including digestion) is entirely your diet. If you want change, change; but don't lie to yourself and others

[DOOMGIRL69]

people should be comfortable with themselves if they want to lose weight do so, as for fat shaming and stuff like that i dont like it. as long as the person is happy with their weight is all that matters imo

[Morkonan]

Originalmente postado por Shlim Sady:

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About 80% of it (including digestion) is entirely your diet. If you want change, change; but don't lie to yourself and others

Ah, the old "Just say no."

I didn't say they didn't eat. I said that for chronically obese/fat/overweight people, the solution often involves much more than that suggestion.

Are you going to suggest the solution to drug abuse is that drug abusers should "Just say no?" Is that the end-all, be-all, of the solution?

No.

Stopping the behavior ultimately requires acknowledging there are reasons that behavior exists and there very well could be other circumstances that must be addressed as well. The revolving doors around drug-rehabilitation centers and diet-plan memberships stand testament to these hard facts.

I didn't deny that I/O plays a role, perhaps even the ultimate cause for "fat." BUT, it's addressing how and why they consume more than their caloric needs or unhealthy food must be addressed to truly come up with a lasting solution.

[☮ne✟rue𝓢ax☯n]

Originalmente postado por Xero_Daxter:

Idk about you guys but no matter how much I eat I cannot gain weight. Doctor said it was my high metabolism. The only way I can gain weight is if I gain muscle mass.

The joys of being young. I too use to have a high metabolism, then age caught up with...... I now have work for my munchies!

[vkobe]

Originalmente postado por Arvaos:

How do you feel about fat people?

Do you think mandatory exercise by law is fatphobic or do you promote fat people?

fat is not healthy, too much risk with heart attack

[Shlim Sady]

Originalmente postado por Morkonan:

Originalmente postado por Shlim Sady:

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About 80% of it (including digestion) is entirely your diet. If you want change, change; but don't lie to yourself and others

Ah, the old "Just say no."

I didn't say they didn't eat. I said that for chronically obese/fat/overweight people, the solution often involves much more than that suggestion.

Are you going to suggest the solution to drug abuse is that drug abusers should "Just say no?" Is that the end-all, be-all, of the solution?

No.

Stopping the behavior ultimately requires acknowledging there are reasons that behavior exists and there very well could be other circumstances that must be addressed as well. The revolving doors around drug-rehabilitation centers and diet-plan memberships stand testament to these hard facts.

I didn't deny that I/O plays a role, perhaps even the ultimate cause for "fat." BUT, it's addressing how and why they consume more than their caloric needs or unhealthy food must be addressed to truly come up with a lasting solution.

As a recovered alcoholic- literally. It's about dealing with discomfort, and saying no. It's an escapism.

And stop saying " "fat" " in quotations like it's somehow mythic lmao it's not a social construct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjetHZtehNQ

[JocularJosh]

To each their own.
If people are genuinely happy being fat - what's it to you? As long as they don't force that on their kids or whatever it's more than fine. If you can clearly tell that they are unhappy with it, help them. Other than that? Their body, their choice.

People should really start minding their own business some more nowadays.

[ZZZZZ]

exercise doesnt always help