opinion on the us porn ban

[Wenda]

its only in 16 states but its probably gonna affect all of them aswell as other countries

[Mina]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mina:

one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

Do you have any up to date arguments to support your rather toxic and irrational claim than phrases from past times ?

For what

[SvarogX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mina:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Do you have any up to date arguments to support your rather toxic and irrational claim than phrases from past times ?

For what

For your initial comment. Are you all there ?

[Mina]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mina:

For what

For your initial comment. Are you all there ?

Why do you care

[atomicgirl]

Ursprungligen skrivet av D. Flame:

Ursprungligen skrivet av atomicgirl:

It can't get more dangerous than it is today, so how would banning it make things worse?

You can't regulate this stuff because the vast number of people into this are all degenerate criminals, anyway. We saw this happen when the US decided to legalize pot. Tens of thousands of illegal smoke shops opened practically overnight selling fentanyl and other hard drugs under the table right down the street from playgrounds and schools. That's because that's who've always been running the drug trade--criminals.

False.

1.) By outlawing pot and labeling on the same tier as something as dangerous as fentanyl, people started

2.) Because people were buying in on the black market, they were also forming illicit connections that then spiraled in to harder and harder substances, not unlike how people formed connections with mobsters by visiting speak-easies

3.) If people were buying green cigarettes at the corner gasstation like they do with regular ones, they would not have been forming those connections, and pot would not have function as a gateway drug.

4.) If selling it was legal and regulated, regulatory bodies could insure that it was not being mixed with more dangerous substances.

Etc.

Again, the same thing happened in the USA with the outlawing of alcohol.

What same thing happened in the USA? You're talking about an event that literally happened between 100-90 years ago at a unique point in American history, with a substance that's not even remotely like drugs. Of course Prohibition failed. Alcohol is an ancient substance that most people can drink without getting addicted to. Drugs are synthetic and designed to create a chemical dependency so strong that anyone who tries them will become repeat customers.

You talking about how people form illicit connections between pot and other drugs is you trying to guess at an issue that goes back decades and has been documented to hell and back. No one formed associations between pot and drugs. Pot was sold as part of the business strategy of drug cartels. Because it's cheap and free (anyone to grow it), they would sell it to impressionable people as a harmless drug at virtually no expense. Then when enough people in a community got hooked on pot, they started trying to turn them on to other hard drugs. This practice was why in the 1970s and beyond, they used to say that pot was a gateway drug, which it was.

[SvarogX]

Ursprungligen skrivet av atomicgirl:

Ursprungligen skrivet av D. Flame:

False.

1.) By outlawing pot and labeling on the same tier as something as dangerous as fentanyl, people started

2.) Because people were buying in on the black market, they were also forming illicit connections that then spiraled in to harder and harder substances, not unlike how people formed connections with mobsters by visiting speak-easies

3.) If people were buying green cigarettes at the corner gasstation like they do with regular ones, they would not have been forming those connections, and pot would not have function as a gateway drug.

4.) If selling it was legal and regulated, regulatory bodies could insure that it was not being mixed with more dangerous substances.

Etc.

Again, the same thing happened in the USA with the outlawing of alcohol.

What same thing happened in the USA? You're talking about an event that literally happened over 100 years ago at a unique point in American history, with a substance that's not even remotely like drugs. Of course Prohibition failed. Alcohol is an ancient substance that most people can drink without getting addicted to. Drugs are synthetic and designed to create a chemical dependency so strong that anyone who tries them will become repeat customers.

You talking about how people form illicit connections between pot and other drugs is you trying to guess at an issue that goes back decades and has been documented to hell and back. No one formed associations between pot and drugs. Pot was sold as part of the business strategy of drug cartels. Because it's cheap and free (anyone to grow it), they would sell it to impressionable people as a harmless drug at virtually no expense. Then when enough people in a community got hooked on pot, they started trying to turn them on to other hard drugs. This practice was why in the 1970s and beyond, they used to say that pot was a gateway drug, which it was.

First, let’s address the claim that the situation in the USA with Prohibition is irrelevant because it happened over 100 years ago with a different substance. The principle behind the failure of Prohibition and the current war on drugs is fundamentally the same: making a widely desired substance illegal leads to black markets, increased crime, and a host of social issues. The lesson from Prohibition is that banning a substance doesn’t eliminate its demand or use, but rather pushes it underground where it becomes more dangerous.

Regarding the argument that alcohol and drugs are not comparable because alcohol is ancient and not highly addictive, while drugs are synthetic and designed to create dependency: This is an oversimplification. Many drugs that are currently illegal, such as cannabis and opium, also have ancient histories of use. Additionally, alcohol can be and is highly addictive for many people, leading to significant social and health problems. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, approximately 14.5 million people in the United States ages 12 and older had Alcohol Use Disorder in 2019 .

The assertion that drugs are synthetic and designed to create dependency while alcohol is not is misleading. Both natural and synthetic substances can cause dependency. The addictive properties of a substance are not determined by whether it is natural or synthetic but by its effects on the brain’s reward system.

The idea that no one formed associations between cannabis and other drugs, and that it was purely a strategy by drug cartels, is a misrepresentation of history. The “gateway drug” theory, which suggests that cannabis use leads to the use of harder drugs, has been largely discredited by modern research. According to the National Institute on Drug Abuse, most people who use marijuana do not go on to use other, "harder" substances . The theory has been used politically to justify harsh drug laws, but it does not hold up under scientific scrutiny.

Furthermore, the claim that cannabis was sold cheaply by drug cartels as a strategy to hook people on harder drugs lacks substantial evidence. In fact, many studies show that cannabis is often used as an alternative to more harmful substances, not as a stepping stone to them. For example, a study published in the journal "Drug and Alcohol Review" found that in states where cannabis was legalized, opioid overdose deaths significantly decreased . This suggests that cannabis can act as a harm reduction tool rather than a gateway drug.

The historical and contemporary data clearly show that prohibitionist policies have repeatedly failed to reduce substance use and have instead caused significant harm. Legalizing and regulating substances, paired with robust public health strategies, is a more effective approach. This strategy focuses on harm reduction, education, and treatment, rather than criminalization, which only perpetuates the cycle of addiction and crime.

To conclude, your comparison of alcohol prohibition and drug prohibition is not only valid but crucial. Both serve as examples of how criminalization exacerbates the problems associated with substance use. The “gateway drug” argument lacks credible evidence, and modern policies should be informed by current research, which supports regulation and harm reduction over prohibition.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Oh hell here comes the ChatGPT again.

[D. Flame]

Ursprungligen skrivet av atomicgirl:

Ursprungligen skrivet av D. Flame:

False.

1.) By outlawing pot and labeling on the same tier as something as dangerous as fentanyl, people started

2.) Because people were buying in on the black market, they were also forming illicit connections that then spiraled in to harder and harder substances, not unlike how people formed connections with mobsters by visiting speak-easies

3.) If people were buying green cigarettes at the corner gasstation like they do with regular ones, they would not have been forming those connections, and pot would not have function as a gateway drug.

4.) If selling it was legal and regulated, regulatory bodies could insure that it was not being mixed with more dangerous substances.

Etc.

Again, the same thing happened in the USA with the outlawing of alcohol.

What same thing happened in the USA? You're talking about an event that literally happened between 100-90 years ago at a unique point in American history, with a substance that's not even remotely like drugs. Of course Prohibition failed. Alcohol is an ancient substance that most people can drink without getting addicted to. Drugs are synthetic and designed to create a chemical dependency so strong that anyone who tries them will become repeat customers.

Alcohol is a drug.
Nicotine is a drug.
Caffeine is a drug.
Etc.

Native Americas used pot since before the USA was even a thing, even before the colonies existed.

Alcohol is literally synthetic and must be created in something like a distillery, where as marijuana is a literal plant.

[Mina]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Mina:

Then don’t respond

Its my right to respond and criticise when someone says something wrong or something I disagree with. I mean this is the entire purpose of a forum. If you can't handle this, maybe you shouldn't write that much nonsense in the first place ?

I’m unaware of everything except the sense you look for in nonsense

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ciarruh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRAchxIzh7U

billie eilish is 100 percent right,
porn destroys the mind

Yes we should all eat spiders and crawl through the oil instead since it`s much more healthy.

[76561198356019466]

im on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right now and it's kind of a ♥♥♥♥ site.
The search engine is terrible and there seems to be zero organization at all.

and their pic section is a joke.

[DOOMGIRL69]

Ursprungligen skrivet av tiny E:

im on ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ right now and it's kind of a ♥♥♥♥ site.
The search engine is terrible and there seems to be zero organization at all.

and their pic section is a joke.

i could name so many better ones but i will stop myself lol also with the pics if you look in categories there options you can tick to only see the most viewed/liked lmao

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ciarruh:

Ursprungligen skrivet av Rumpelcrutchskin:

Yes we should all eat spiders and crawl through the oil instead since it`s much more healthy.

awww you're such a lame
she had something to say that was genuine and real and you talk about her marketing and fictional music videos

Don`t get me wrong I kinda like some of her bs marketing stunts. Bury a Friend was pretty good.

[Boblin the Goblin]

Ursprungligen skrivet av ciarruh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRAchxIzh7U

billie eilish is 100 percent right,
porn destroys the mind

The mind isn't fully developed until 26.

[atomicgirl]

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

First, let’s address the claim that the situation in the USA with Prohibition is irrelevant because it happened over 100 years ago with a different substance. The principle behind the failure of Prohibition and the current war on drugs is fundamentally the same: making a widely desired substance illegal leads to black markets, increased crime, and a host of social issues. The lesson from Prohibition is that banning a substance doesn’t eliminate its demand or use, but rather pushes it underground where it becomes more dangerous.

Alcohol, drugs and pornography are not exactly equivalent, no matter how much you want to say that. Alcohol is a substance that people enjoy for its own sake and can take or leave. They don't desire in the same way as drug users or porn watchers. Drugs are designed to create a hard chemical dependency to ensure repeat buyers. Pornography is designed to exploit the most human of powerful urges, as well as weakness.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Many drugs that are currently illegal, such as cannabis and opium, also have ancient histories of use. Additionally, alcohol can be and is highly addictive for many people, leading to significant social and health problems. According to the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, approximately 14.5 million people in the United States ages 12 and older had Alcohol Use Disorder in 2019 .

We have an alcohol problem because of the cultural ritual of social drinking and the legacy of the 1960s counterculture with its sex, drugs and rock and roll ethos, not because alcohol is an addictive substance. People are literally made fun of if they don't drink, and "two drinks minimum" were a requirement at many clubs. In college, it's literally a ritual to drink until you pass out.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

The idea that no one formed associations between cannabis and other drugs, and that it was purely a strategy by drug cartels, is a misrepresentation of history.

It's not a misrepresentation. What was misrepresented was why that "pot is a gateway drug" phrase was advanced in the first place. The Libertarian argument that it meant that pot would hook you on drugs was always a straw man.

Ursprungligen skrivet av Zeno:

Furthermore, the claim that cannabis was sold cheaply by drug cartels as a strategy to hook people on harder drugs lacks substantial evidence.

That's exactly what I and everyone saw in the 1970s, 1980s and beyond. Pot was sold, then came cocaine, crack and other substances sweeping the very neighborhoods that had started out just smoking pot.

All the other stuff you mentioned I'm not going to respond to because it's clear that you're just Googling Libertarian talking points, not actual arguments based in a Real
World understanding of the drug problem.

[76561198356019466]

If porn destroyed the mind, then I'd be a driveling moron.


Wait, I am a driveling moron.