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It was completed on the cross btw man. Thats what its ALL ABOUT. You are contradicting your own self because you don't understand any of it. You see with eyes but are blind. It was always this way man. Your blinded by your own wisdom, hate, or whatever is holding you up. He was the fullfillment of it all. He literally said "it is finished". I mean... that sounds like its purpose was complete to me. He tore the dang veil LOL.
If someone spoke against your family and told others things that weren't true, you'd take offense and maybe get a little feisty. I love Jesus and consider him my Abba father. I'm sorry if I seemed feisty with you Jim but you truly could have some restraint yourself as well. I'll pray for both of us.
It's always people with religious upbringings that act like that
YOU don't understand it because you don't read Greek or Hebrew. There's a LOT that changes with the translation. Just confusing what Nephesh means taints your entire understanding of what comes after, to a simple comma that's not in the Greek misrepresenting what was said (Luke 23:43).
Your understanding of scripture is not contextual, because you go into it with the wrong understandings and force everything to line up with those expectations. The Hebrew and Greek text are VERY different from what you get in English, and if you would learn at least Hebrew, you'd understand the Jew's issue with Jesus and the Trinity, and it would MAKE PERFECT SENSE.
I've spent decades studying the subject deeply, because 1) it is an amalgamation of much earlier (still extant) stories and I read those parts as just evolutions and permutations of the original, and 2) The twisting of these tales during the Deutronmic reform lead by King Josiah is the origins of three great religions. I'm a history buff, and these things are fascinating even if I don't consider them as divine or inerrant.
When someone who claims to be a Christian makes such elementary mistakes as I often see on this forum, I will point it out. Maybe it will kickstart something in their understanding that will lead to greater things, maybe not.
But if you're going to claim to understand The Bible, you'd better know some Hebrew. It's kind of important.
The NT is predicated upon the OT. If you don't understand the OT, you cannot possible understand the NT.
LOTS of people know the bible in, out, backwards, and upside down in all languages. It doesn't mean they know God, understood the texts, nor found the faith. Shallow enough for a babe to wade in, and deep enough for the wisest of men to drown themselves in.
But hey, who knows. Maybe I'm wrong. Jesus was wrong. Countless millions have been wrong. Its the history buffs with their hours and hours of "research" that could really know the deal here. Its faith either way I guess. Mine is in The King.
You're still expected to uphold the law, but Jesus will stand in your place on Judgement day. But the law is to still be upheld. The veil of the temple may have ripped, opening the way to the alter without the necessity of the priest, but sin is sin. It will still be bound to you in this life, and for generations of your descendants afterward.
According to your book.
And you're so deep in the muck you can't see The Bible in the context of its times. There's a lot of contemporary (means written at the same time) works and works that pre-exist The Bible by millennia. The Bible is not an early work, it's sits about halfway between the first written stories we have and right now. It's only middle-aged.
If you think you can understand such a rich document without understanding the culture and customs of the time(s) it was written in, you're the fool, here.
Think about it.
He did tell his Apostles "Not all of you will die before I return with my kingdom."
Pretty sure all those guys are long dead.
Unless you're a 'wandering Jew' believer which yeah whatever. Made for a good movie though (The Seventh Sign).
I don't "think" about it in the way you do. I have faith to sustain my belief in Jesus Christ, my salvation, and His coming Kingdom.
I'm off to bed, so no more to debate really. (especially about other books). I'll just say this. If you happen think that your argument here was truly sound as you debated Mosaic Law, Sin, and Jesus.. you're way in the outfield man. You only understand one third from all you make obvious. You use that third of highly contextual knowledge to bait out the religious users here with statements about their faith until one bites and then you attempt to systematically break down the understanding and belief of their own faith with semantics and translations.
I assure you Jim, I'm firmly planted in the bedrock here. Satan has been testing my faith for decades now and a simple armchair factwar about "what The Bible means" is nothing new for me. I guess my retort was only to sound off my allegiance and attempt to show others just how pitifully broken the attempts are of the average history buff atheist as they toss as much muck against the wall as they can, in the hopes something sticks. It rarely does from all I can tell. Cheers to you and yours. Praying for you and the lost as always man. Its always possible for you to submit your heart to Him no matter what you have said.
*shakes fists* " There were many gods, read it right here!!" - yea, we have all read this.
*Screams "It said it differently right here though!"- Yea, we know man.
"You are all just wrong. Biblical scholars, just.. everyone!" - Ok man.
I only ever knew of one who wanted to single handedly dismantle the faith of those who believe in Jesus Christ and call themselves Christians.
I can only say "Get behind me Satan, in the Holy name of Jesus".
The Vulgate DOES differ, in VERY important ways. For instance, the mention of other ACTUAL deities is much more clear in the Vulgate. For instance, Duet. 32:8 records the correct translation BENE HA'ELOHIM (sons of God). MOST English translations somehow pull SONS OF ISRAEL out of that. The original text is Bene Ha'Elohim, NOT Behe Ha'iysrael or even Bene Ha'adam, it's Bene-Ha'Elohim, sons of God.
And to understand the beginning of all this confusion, you have to understand what the Deuteronomic reform was. It's recorded in Deuteronomy 12-26 and is the actual beginning of monotheistic worship among The Jews. This is why the first thing King Josiah does is remove the alter to Asherah (English translations: Pole, Grove) from the Holy of Holies, burns it, and then scatters its ashes over the graves of the common people. From this point onward The Jews would be a monotheistic people.
But before this they were polytheistic, and many of the stories they had, including much of the Books of Moses, were adopted from other religions. So they were re-written with a monotheistic slant, but many verses were missed.
The modern translations are mostly based off this revised monotheistic text. Even to modern Torah retains these alterations. But if you know the original stories, and you understand the Hebrew, there's still some juicy bits of a bad patchwork that reveal their polytheistic origins.
The more you read from those times, the more actual culture of the people's around Israel, the more obvious it becomes that The Bible is an amalgamation and final edit of much older documents and stories.
But people like you, The Bible is where is begins and where it ends. And that's the basis from which your entire religion springs: a doctored document that you hold so dear you can't even entertain the thought of reading what else is on the shelf. And there's a lot on that shelf.
See, your interest in The Bible is fanatical. Mine is inquisitory. I don't have to read into it and twist meanings one way and then another to make it say what I want it to: I'm here to let it tell me what these people were thinking.
TLDR: The modern Bible is based on a monotheistic editing of the original polytheistic works. Also: this is old news.
But alright. This is news to me. Could you point me in the direction of further reading/video material where I can follow up on this stuff?
Or was it a translation issue? OR does it really mean he is THE supreme God and there are others under him?
Yeah, sorry, thought I was responding to the other guy.
Umm ... I haven't really watched any Youtube videos other than like "Biblically Accurate Angels", but grab a translation of The Dead Sea Scrolls. Check out https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/ and especially https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/free-ebooks/biblical-peoples-the-world-of-ancient-israel/
Check out your local library, that's where I've done most of my reading. You can't remove the reference materials so if you're going to get into those be prepared to spend some time there and take notes.
I most certainly suggest you read The Origins of Judaism by Yonatan Adler most of all. You should probably do that, first, actually.
Well, that's after he took care of his cohorts. El Elyon had 70 sons, which he gave each one of 70 kingdoms (The Table of Nations in Genesis). But Yahweh (one of the 70 sons) got pissed and threw them down.
The translation is bad but bad enough you can understand what is actually going on, so that's good, re: https://biblia.com/bible/esv/psalm/82