Why is the USA so obsessed with going into war?

[Yavin Shikanoko]

Basically title yea, many Unitedstatians are awfully obsessed about going to war.

Basically they day dream about becoming Rambo and going full call of duty on their, most of the time, imaginary enemies in imaginary scenarios.

I get getting patriot about defending your country but like bruh, people be wearing shirts with skulls and COD/BF Pngs along cringe quotes like "if I retreat end me, if I die avenge me" 💀

Addressing the elephant in the room, yes I said unitedstatians because that's the way "Estadounidense " is translated to English

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

Originalmente postado por Angel:

I'm always surprised how much American Federal Budget goes into military expenses. America spends near 39% of the total worldwide military spending (Source: Statista, 2022 statistics).

Those tax payer's hard earn dollars... :rinconfused:

The US spends far more in social/health welfare than it does in the military.

https://federalbudgetinpictures.com/where-does-all-the-money-go/

We spend far more in welfare/social programs than most countries combined.

Please, speak of the span of that state of affairs. Please express it in months, for the sake of making it bigger than it is. That, considering that those numbers are true to begin with and not manipulated. Where is the budget of the NSA and CIA, for example ? In the Defense, you think ? Think again.

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

As TLoU2 taught us with kindness and love : "Be Better" :)
In your case, i fear it would demand the lifetime of culture you are sorely lacking.

That's not what I said. I said if the US was as corrupt as ruSSia, the world would be a war torn wasteland right now.

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.

The number of wars in wich "imperialistic aggressive" russia was involved since 1991.

Then compare it to a list of the wars lauched by the "good and righteous" US during the same time.

Then, for the same span of time, ie since 1991, please make a list of the interventions of the Nato, the "peacekeeping alliance of article 5".




I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

[Hooch]

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

The US spends far more in social/health welfare than it does in the military.

https://federalbudgetinpictures.com/where-does-all-the-money-go/

We spend far more in welfare/social programs than most countries combined.

Please, speak of the span of that state of affairs. Please express it in months, for the sake of making it bigger than it is. That, considering that those numbers are true to begin with and not manipulated. Where is the budget of the NSA and CIA, for example ? In the Defense, you think ? Think again.

It's already been broken up for you on that site. Just because you WANT a particular narrative, or just because something is easier to accept due to an echo chamber being a source, doesn't make it actually true. Facts really do matter. It's been a fact for decades that the US has spent more on welfare/social programs than its military. There is plenty of evidence that supports that, and absolutely no evidence that supports the opposite (your position). Facts matter, not echo chambers.

[nohuman]

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

That's not what I said. I said if the US was as corrupt as ruSSia, the world would be a war torn wasteland right now.

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.

The number of wars in wich "imperialistic aggressive" russia was involved since 1991.

Then compare it to a list of the wars lauched by the "good and righteous" US during the same time.

Then, for the same span of time, ie since 1991, please make a list of the interventions of the Nato, the "peacekeeping alliance of article 5".




I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

lol that's probably a long list you're just going to ignore anyway....

Besides, it's not relevant, we're talking about CORRUPTION. One reason is not a good as another just because....

[Hooch]

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

That's not what I said. I said if the US was as corrupt as ruSSia, the world would be a war torn wasteland right now.

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.

The number of wars in wich "imperialistic aggressive" russia was involved since 1991.

Then compare it to a list of the wars lauched by the "good and righteous" US during the same time.

Then, for the same span of time, ie since 1991, please make a list of the interventions of the Nato, the "peacekeeping alliance of article 5".




I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

It's well known that Russia and Ukraine are among the more corrupt countries in the world.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.

The number of wars in wich "imperialistic aggressive" russia was involved since 1991.

Then compare it to a list of the wars lauched by the "good and righteous" US during the same time.

Then, for the same span of time, ie since 1991, please make a list of the interventions of the Nato, the "peacekeeping alliance of article 5".




I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

lol that's probably a long list you're just going to ignore anyway....

Besides, it's not relevant, we're talking about CORRUPTION. One reason is not a good as another just because....

LOL MAKE IT ANYWAY. KINDLY HUMOR ME. You are talking about the state of the world under the good influence of the USA, under wich it currently is, innit ? DO. IT. Then we'll compare to the apocalyptic grim dark world of potentiel russia if you want so, but, before that, get me that list of wars of russia since 91', and the wars of Nato since 91', and the wars of US of a since the same.

[nohuman]

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.

The number of wars in wich "imperialistic aggressive" russia was involved since 1991.

Then compare it to a list of the wars lauched by the "good and righteous" US during the same time.

Then, for the same span of time, ie since 1991, please make a list of the interventions of the Nato, the "peacekeeping alliance of article 5".




I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

It's well known that Russia and Ukraine are among the more corrupt countries in the world.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

hmm that says...

Ukraine is rank 104 and climbing..
while...
ruSSia is rank 141 and dropping...

The worst is Somalia with 180.

But yeah, sure..... "the more". lol.

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Please, speak of the span of that state of affairs. Please express it in months, for the sake of making it bigger than it is. That, considering that those numbers are true to begin with and not manipulated. Where is the budget of the NSA and CIA, for example ? In the Defense, you think ? Think again.

It's already been broken up for you on that site. Just because you WANT a particular narrative, or just because something is easier to accept due to an echo chamber being a source, doesn't make it actually true. Facts really do matter. It's been a fact for decades that the US has spent more on welfare/social programs than its military. There is plenty of evidence that supports that, and absolutely no evidence that supports the opposite (your position). Facts matter, not echo chambers.

I do not have a particular narrative. I have words, chosen words. I stand by them. Interpret them if you wish, that is not my concern; but do not disturb me with your newfound interpretations : they are yours.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248073/distribution-of-medicare-spending-by-service-type/
https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/military-spending-defense-budget

Approximatively in 2015 the medicare budget began to be > to the defense.

2024-2015 =9 years. "PLEASE express it in months, for the sake of making it bigger".

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

It's been a fact for decades that the US has spent more on welfare/social programs than its military.

DECADES. Its seems the ones with a "narrative" is you, check your facts.

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Ok, make a list for me, humor me.
I'm waiting for it, but i'll see that tomorrow. Please, humor me with those 3 lists.

lol that's probably a long list you're just going to ignore anyway....

Besides, it's not relevant, we're talking about CORRUPTION. One reason is not a good as another just because....

I still insist, do de list. "It is relevant", are we not talking about America going to war "too often" in this topic specially created for that, or not ? If anything, it MAY JUST BE the one talking about Russia in an USA topic that is doing deflections and sophisms and fallacies, or "whataboutism", innit ? :) Maybe i AM on topic, in ... this topic ? Have i not something like free speech anyway ? :P


Humor me. Do de list. You are fantasizing about the "world in flammes under russia's boot". Let's sum up it's wars that were. Come on.

[nohuman]

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

lol that's probably a long list you're just going to ignore anyway....

Besides, it's not relevant, we're talking about CORRUPTION. One reason is not a good as another just because....

I still insist, do de list. "It is relevant", are we not talking about America going to war "too often" in this topic specially created for that, or not ? If anything, it MAY JUST BE the one talking about Russia in an USA topic that is doing deflections and sophisms and fallacies, or "whataboutism", innit ? :) Maybe i AM on topic, in ... this topic ? Have i not something like free speech anyway ? :P


Humor me. Do de list. You are fantasizing about the "world in flammes under russia's boot". Let's sum up it's wars that were. Come on.

triggered much? I already told you my answer.

[Voroff]

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

I still insist, do de list. "It is relevant", are we not talking about America going to war "too often" in this topic specially created for that, or not ? If anything, it MAY JUST BE the one talking about Russia in an USA topic that is doing deflections and sophisms and fallacies, or "whataboutism", innit ? :) Maybe i AM on topic, in ... this topic ? Have i not something like free speech anyway ? :P


Humor me. Do de list. You are fantasizing about the "world in flammes under russia's boot". Let's sum up it's wars that were. Come on.

triggered much? I already told you my answer.

Yes, your answer is to talk about how corrupt is russia in a topic about how warmongering is the US. Maybe abstain yourself next time.

[nohuman]

Originalmente postado por Voroff:

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

triggered much? I already told you my answer.

Yes, your answer is to talk about how corrupt is russia in a topic about how warmongering is the US. Maybe abstain yourself next time.

I think it's pretty relevant considering current events and as for your homework assignment,(lol..), a list like that would be hard to make since most of russia's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is carried out by groups like wagner which don't "exist", and even the Ukraine invasion/war was only called smo until they admitted it was just another war.

[Birds]

Originalmente postado por derrick:

They are a hub of commerce—not of war. It's unit is nothing more than a mere ceremony.

its position as a trade nation is largely due to its military activities, and it spends most of the benefits of those activities on maintaing the good relations necessary to use its military.

[Hooch]

Originalmente postado por EnÐΩGeÑe§¡§:

Originalmente postado por Aionion:

It's well known that Russia and Ukraine are among the more corrupt countries in the world.

https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2023

hmm that says...

Ukraine is rank 104 and climbing..
while...
ruSSia is rank 141 and dropping...

The worst is Somalia with 180.

But yeah, sure..... "the more". lol. :BL3Thumbsdown:

With an index between 1-100, where 1 is the worst, 100 is the best, and out of 180 countries, 1 being the least corrupt:


Ukraine: 38/100 (104) - 76th MOST corrupt
Russia: 26/100 (141) - 21st MOST corrupt

The higher the better. Both of these countries (but more so Russia) are among the most corrupt as per their very low scores.

USA: 69/100, 24th LEAST corrupt
UK: 71/100, 20th LEAST corrupt

Your own claim was : " I said if the US was as corrupt as ruSSia, the world would be a war torn wasteland right now."

The person who responded to you disagreed and used a strawman argument to throw you off course. I responded to him and pointed out that Russia and Ukraine are far more corrupt than the US.

His tactic for you worked. He distracted you, threw you off course, and you tried to disagree with source that helps support your initial point (that Russia is far more corrupt than the US).

Getting high while typing on a forum isn't a good idea, my friend.

[swillfly]

It is not *war*; it is "peacekeeping" activities . . . with hot lead.