NATO Prepares Troop Deployment to Ukraine

[The Processor]

Claims The prime minister of Slovakia.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-nato-eu-150248219.html

[Ulfrinn]

Escrito originalmente por S̶E̶V̶E̶N̶F̶O̶L̶D̶:

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On GDP (size of economy) basis, my country's listed as 6th in the world.

1st: Estonia
2nd: Denmark
3th: Norway
4th: Lithuania
5th: Latvia
6th: Finland
7th: Poland

US is ranked 19th.

It is America's duty because if they don't pass this aid package, soon they'll seriously fall behind on burden sharing. Especially when EU passed €50 billion aid package just few weeks ago. US has made a commitment and promise on the burden sharing.

"On GDP (size of economy) basis, my country's listed as 6th in the world."

America: "To date we have funded Ukraine with $113 BILLION dollars, while our own citizens suffer."
Finland: "Here's 50 dollars, put it with the rest. You need to do more."

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up and why Americans stopped caring. That's why they're blocking further aid in the house. It's an election year and that's the action that'll get them re-elected since enough of the citizens support blocking further aid. And after Trump gets back in, I wouldn't be surprised if he vetoed anything that made it through the house after that. And I seriously doubt we'll be sending troops at that point, so I find it comical when people try to use that to threaten people into supporting Ukraine funding.

[Vox]

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Where did I say you're Russian? Reading and understanding isn't one of your strong points.

I understand a simple "if not this, then that" mentality. That anyone who doesn't support Ukraine must be a Russian lover. Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I heard in the early 2000's that anyone who didn't support bombing the ♥♥♥♥ out of mostly civilians in Iraq was just a Muslim sympathizer. I know the mentality quite well, and how deeply rooted in ignorance and bigotry it actually is.

Was that the best you could come up with?

[❤ Sly Succubus ❤]

Fun fact: The first US soldier to die in Ukraine was not part of NATO or the US forces, he was a hired mercenary who died on mission. Most American troops who have perished in Ukraine so far were hired gunmen and thats not actually a joke, both sides have gone out of their way to pay for Soldiers of Fortune and many people have accepted the pay with its risk.

I mean I guess its not to shocking given that Russia has the Wanger force which in of itself is entirely composed of Soldiers of Fortune anyways

[Stingray_tm]

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i highly doubt it will happen, but god willing, this can't happen fast enough. ukraine needs all the help it can get, russia deserves to lose for all it's crimes against humanity

Escrito originalmente por Stingray_tm:

Robert Fico is very Russia friendly and would prefer Ukraine to lose as soon as possible in order to reestablish relations with Russia. I suspect he would say anything to make this a reality, so I don't consider his statements trustworthy.

Also, e.g. the United Kingdom unilaterally sending SAS operatives as advisors and instructors into West Ukraine, close to the Polish border could be what he meant. But that is not really "deployng NATO troops to Ukraine" as suggested here.

very nice to see guys like you openly supporting the mass murder of ukranians. our society really is going to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell

What on earth gives you the idea, that I am anti-Ukraine? I highly suggest you re-read, what I have written and then apologize.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

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If US doesn't provide aid, troops will be deployed into Ukraine. Because aid (as collective effort) is crucial to ensure that Putin doesn't win.

GOP really wants that Third World War. They are playing very dangerous partisan games here.

Ukraine is expecting approximately $11 billion in economic aid this year from the United States. US needs to do its part and fulfill the promise they made.

Cheap price to make sure that apocalypse won't take place, at the very least.

So how much has your country contributed to this situation? And why is it always Americas duty to do all of the heavy lifting when we have major issues of our own, right now?

A. America made security garuntees to ukraine in the budepst memorandum. ukraine gave up all it's nukes to russia in exchange for for a promise that russia wouldn't invade and the US will help ukraine defend itself should russia violate it's side of the bargain.
USA is contractually obligated to help ukraine and should it fail it would mean the US is weak, unreliable and untrustworthy.

B. ukraine has the biggest economy on the planet so it makes sense that their aid will be big as well.

C. it is America's interest to help ukraine since it's an economic and strategic ally against russia.

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Most American troops who have perished in Ukraine so far were hired gunmen and thats not actually a joke, both sides have gone out of their way to pay for Soldiers of Fortune and many people have accepted the pay with its risk.

BULL SH**

they are volunteers. they weren't hired, they weren't even being paid anything besides accomendations. they came to ukraine because they were good men with a sense of justice and desire to help other people in need.
actual mercenaries (that aren't russian) wouldn't risk their lives on the front lines and instead provide training or covert operations with minimal contact with main armies

[Azza ☠]

They said it's not in the interest of NATO, but French President Emmanuel Macron claimed that it should not be "ruled out" in the future if Russia continues it's 3rd year of attempting to invade Ukraine.

They had agreed "that there will be no ground troops, no soldiers on Ukrainian soil who are sent there by European states or NATO states".

Putin himself would have to attack NATO states and they will then wipe him out. You don't need to step upon Ukrainian soil to do so either way, rather just Russia land itself, if Putin himself engages to do so.

[Hobbit XIII]

Escrito originalmente por JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

Escrito originalmente por S̶E̶V̶E̶N̶F̶O̶L̶D̶:

So how much has your country contributed to this situation? And why is it always Americas duty to do all of the heavy lifting when we have major issues of our own, right now?

A. America made security garuntees to ukraine in the budepst memorandum. ukraine gave up all it's nukes to russia in exchange for for a promise that russia wouldn't invade and the US will help ukraine defend itself should russia violate it's side of the bargain.
USA is contractually obligated to help ukraine and should it fail it would mean the US is weak, unreliable and untrustworthy.

B. ukraine has the biggest economy on the planet so it makes sense that their aid will be big as well.

C. it is America's interest to help ukraine since it's an economic and strategic ally against russia.

Escrito originalmente por ❤ Mischievous Sly Succubus ❤:

Most American troops who have perished in Ukraine so far were hired gunmen and thats not actually a joke, both sides have gone out of their way to pay for Soldiers of Fortune and many people have accepted the pay with its risk.

BULL SH**

they are volunteers. they weren't hired, they weren't even being paid anything besides accomendations. they came to ukraine because they were good men with a sense of justice and desire to help other people in need.
actual mercenaries (that aren't russian) wouldn't risk their lives on the front lines and instead provide training or covert operations with minimal contact with main armies

Mercenaries are very varied in their roles throughout the world and their own moral compasses for that matter.

They are referring to I assume the Ukrainian Foreign Legion - more accurately The International Legion for Defence of Ukraine.

https://ildu.com.ua/

The pay is quoting

You get the standard pay of a Ukrainian soldier and it varies depending on the conditions of the service. Your payment will be in UAH currency to a local bank account. The approximate amount in USD is the following: $600 per/month behind the frontline, $1200 per/month for service in a dangerous zone, and $3300 per/month for combat deployment. Please note, that those numbers are just an approximation since exchange rates can change and also some roles and units receive additional bonuses.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

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Escrito originalmente por JolyJew СлаваУкраине:

A. America made security garuntees to ukraine in the budepst memorandum. ukraine gave up all it's nukes to russia in exchange for for a promise that russia wouldn't invade and the US will help ukraine defend itself should russia violate it's side of the bargain.
USA is contractually obligated to help ukraine and should it fail it would mean the US is weak, unreliable and untrustworthy.

B. ukraine has the biggest economy on the planet so it makes sense that their aid will be big as well.

C. it is America's interest to help ukraine since it's an economic and strategic ally against russia.




BULL SH**

they are volunteers. they weren't hired, they weren't even being paid anything besides accomendations. they came to ukraine because they were good men with a sense of justice and desire to help other people in need.
actual mercenaries (that aren't russian) wouldn't risk their lives on the front lines and instead provide training or covert operations with minimal contact with main armies

Mercenaries are very varied in their roles throughout the world and their own moral compasses for that matter.

They are referring to I assume the Ukrainian Foreign Legion - more accurately The International Legion for Defence of Ukraine.

https://ildu.com.ua/

The pay is quoting

You get the standard pay of a Ukrainian soldier and it varies depending on the conditions of the service. Your payment will be in UAH currency to a local bank account. The approximate amount in USD is the following: $600 per/month behind the frontline, $1200 per/month for service in a dangerous zone, and $3300 per/month for combat deployment. Please note, that those numbers are just an approximation since exchange rates can change and also some roles and units receive additional bonuses.

umm yeah, that's the accomondations i mentioned earlier. all sodiers need this kind of pay to afford food, shetler and gear while they are outside of active combat. not to mention compencation for flying all the way to ukraine.
your own quote says that it's standard pay for ukranian soldiers.

no one is going to risk their lives for laughable for 1200$ per month, it's just barely over minumminimum wage.
and while 3300$ a month is nice it's still nowhere near actual mercenary wages which can goes between 500$-1500$ a DAY -> https://careertrend.com/mercenarys-salary-13660298.html

foreign soldiers fighting for ukraine are VOLUNTEERS

[vkobe]

he is again, seem we will not see him for a long time

[Scorpion]

Most europeans, made Macron look like a fool. Rejecting even the notion to. Few countries said "not now" (keyword: *now*), while others, such as Latvia, said "yes".

Eventually they will, because they bet everything on ukraine and lost it all. When a casino player loses all their fortune and gets kicked out, their last option will be to grab a gun, shoot at the establisment and its employees. And Zelenski has signed under the table for the riches of ukraine to end at JP Morgan, Blackrock, Monsanto and various other western vultures' talons/claws/beaks, so they ain't leaving the trophy to the russians, despite those lands historically being theirs anyway.

I hope only the warmongers get their bottoms crushed; not the european citizens, who weren't even asked whether or not they agree to their tax money and hard earned national armaments, evaporating as fireworks in the hands of the corrupt neonazi Kyiv regime.

P.S. France's rage is understandable sadly, since they went and lost all of their neo-colonies in southern Africa and their freelooting resources in the region... Especially uranium.

[Pocahawtness]

Escrito originalmente por S̶E̶V̶E̶N̶F̶O̶L̶D̶:

So how much has your country contributed to this situation? And why is it always Americas duty to do all of the heavy lifting when we have major issues of our own, right now?

The entire world has major issues right now.

No one likes that, but we have to respond to Putin.

Putin can not be allowed to grow Russia. Ukraine will be a massive gain for him if he wins.

Sure, no one wants a war at the moment, but Putin brought this one to us and we can't ignore it.

The amount that America has contributed is very small compared to their annual military budget, and no American soldiers will be harmed. That's a good deal.

Europe is stepping up it's contribution and has just sanctioned $60 billion in aid for Ukraine. This is on top of the $17 billion already given.

I am sure if the little old UK can manage $9 billion all by itself, America can do more.

Don't forget that a lot of this aid will go to America in the form of arms purchases!!

[AdahnGorion]

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There really is a lot of pro russian fear mongering going on now that it's election year.

Imagine if they ran out of wars or differences, they would would have to resort to spoke people with stuff like "Planet X is moving towards earth"

OT:

This have already been debunked, albeit civilians (non war participants could come and to some extend already is.)

A fun note here. (this will showcase whom real Nato members are and whom are shadows) this is a showcase of the contries that donated and supported Ukraine within NATO.

https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/

[Iggy Wolf]

People were probably saying that if NATO/America wasn't involved in Yugoslavia, then the Soviet Union would have taken that country over. Well, the involvement of BOTH superpowers ended in the country not even ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ EXISTING anymore after 1991. I'm sure plenty of people, especially Americans, have their very valid and perfectly reasonable hesitations and criticism of continuing to aid Ukraine with taxpayer money, if there's no reason to think that anything would change anyway. At this point, the relations merely between civilians in the Donbass/Lugansk region vs those of Western Ukraine might as well be similar to the relation that Serbia and Croatia had to each other. And NO amount of western interference prevented THAT war from disintegrating Yugoslavia and those people from killing each other. NATO's presence merely WORSENS and prolongs the conflict.

I don't condone or defend Russia's war against Ukraine anymore than I defend NATO's and America's presence or support in Ukraine. Both sides have something to gain/lose, but the people of Ukraine only have something to LOSE. And no matter which side "wins", the Ukrainian people LOSE regardless. Hell, as a Ukrainian born American myself, I don't blame American taxpayers for not wanting to further fund Ukraine.

My own grandmother still in Ukraine can attest to the country's streets, politics, and economy being no better than it was 25 years ago, when I left it in 1999. If I thought ANY of the money or aid being sent to Ukraine was actually making Ukrainian civilians lives better, I'd be all for it. As it stands, it fills the coffers of the military industrial complex and Ukraine's corrupt leaders and President. But it sure as hell DOES NOT help the civilians one bit. You don't have to be a "Russian/Putin troll" to believe THAT.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

There is no American troop deployment to Ukraine.

NATO is dissolving for a stronger democratic state...

Communists, like Russian-Ukraine, can ♥♥♥♥ off in NATO assurances,,,

NATO will NEVER tolerate terrorist states such as Russia or Ukraine.

Islamic Jihad fantasies die here...

Allahu akbar "King Satan" ......

[Shodan]

I'm not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded enough to go die for my stupid country's politicians, let alone some other ones. ♥♥♥♥ off.