NATO Prepares Troop Deployment to Ukraine

[The Processor]

Claims The prime minister of Slovakia.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-nato-eu-150248219.html

[Vox]

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But Russia cares, right lmao

Aaw, is that how you see the world, if people don't agree with your hysteria they must be the comic book villain trying to destroy the world? Because I think NATO is a useless and full of ♥♥♥♥ organization I must be Russian?

Where did I say you're Russian? Reading and understanding isn't one of your strong points.

[Pierce Dalton]

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Well, so you really believe that Russia would stop at Crimea?

What do you think will happen? Tell me about Russia's intentions

Well, I'm sorry but that doesn't have anything to do with the question I asked. Perhaps I should have been clearer:

You think that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine later, if NATO didn't get involved?

[Dyfedeg O' Demetae]

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My question is not whether or not NATO is deploying anything or anyone. I'm more concerned by how that zombie company Yahoo is still around. Is this that voodoo economics I've heard so much about?

Sign me up, I want my own army of undead propagandists. Especially if I can then sic them on the living ones.

Apollo owns Yahoo and is doing well. Journalists aren't propagandists.

[Xayc]

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You think that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine later, if NATO didn't get involved?

If Nato had not intervened, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine. It all started with the fact that in the summer of 2013, the Parliament of Ukraine forbade the country to extend the agreement on the deployment of Russian warships in their ports. They have been standing there since Soviet times, this is a strategic position and this agreement was in effect... Well, I'm not sure exactly, but probably since the age of 91.

Do you know why the contract was refused to be extended? It was planned that American ships would be stationed there. This is unacceptable for Russia. But of course you didn't know that, they pointed the finger at Russia and told you who to hate

[Pierce Dalton]

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You think that Russia wouldn't have invaded Ukraine later, if NATO didn't get involved?

If Nato had not intervened, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.

That's doubtful to say the least, considering that Putin has stated (more than once) that Crimea belongs to Russia:

https://www.france24.com/en/20140318-crimea-inseparable-part-russia-vladimir-putin-tells-parliament-ukraine

[Xayc]

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If Nato had not intervened, Crimea would still be part of Ukraine.

That's doubtful to say the least, considering that Putin has stated (more than once) that Crimea belongs to Russia:

https://www.france24.com/en/20140318-crimea-inseparable-part-russia-vladimir-putin-tells-parliament-ukraine

I told you about that event about the summer of 2013, and for some reason you answered me with statements from the spring of 2014. Should I tell you what happened before, or don't you want to hear what a cause-and-effect relationship is? And that 2013 was earlier than 2014

[Vox]

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If US doesn't provide aid, troops will be deployed into Ukraine. Because aid (as collective effort) is crucial to ensure that Putin doesn't win.

GOP really wants that Third World War. They are playing very dangerous partisan games here.

Ukraine is expecting approximately $11 billion in economic aid this year from the United States. US needs to do its part and fulfill the promise they made.

Cheap price to make sure that apocalypse won't take place, at the very least.

So how much has your country contributed to this situation? And why is it always Americas duty to do all of the heavy lifting when we have major issues of our own, right now?

Remember when America dragged the rest of NATO into Iraq/Afghanistan?

[Dom]

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If US doesn't provide aid, troops will be deployed into Ukraine. Because aid (as collective effort) is crucial to ensure that Putin doesn't win.

GOP really wants that Third World War. They are playing very dangerous partisan games here.

Ukraine is expecting approximately $11 billion in economic aid this year from the United States. US needs to do its part and fulfill the promise they made.

Cheap price to make sure that apocalypse won't take place, at the very least.

So how much has your country contributed to this situation? And why is it always Americas duty to do all of the heavy lifting when we have major issues of our own, right now?

On GDP (size of economy) basis, my country's listed as 6th in the world.

1st: Estonia
2nd: Denmark
3th: Norway
4th: Lithuania
5th: Latvia
6th: Finland
7th: Poland

US is ranked 19th.

It is America's duty because if they don't pass this aid package, soon they'll seriously fall behind on burden sharing. Especially when EU passed €50 billion aid package just few weeks ago. US has made a commitment and promise on the burden sharing.

[Pierce Dalton]

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That's doubtful to say the least, considering that Putin has stated (more than once) that Crimea belongs to Russia:

https://www.france24.com/en/20140318-crimea-inseparable-part-russia-vladimir-putin-tells-parliament-ukraine

I told you about that event about the summer of 2013, and for some reason you answered me with statements from the spring of 2014. Should I tell you what happened before, or don't you want to hear what a cause-and-effect relationship is? And that 2013 was earlier than 2014

It doesn't matter, Putin always considered Crimea part of Russia.

[Voroff]

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Finland: "Here's 50 dollars, put it with the rest. You need to do more."

Emotionnal support in troubled times do wonders and is invaluable. Dont joke about the finns, anyways, their vodka is one of the best per average per country, right after poland.

[Ulfrinn]

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Aaw, is that how you see the world, if people don't agree with your hysteria they must be the comic book villain trying to destroy the world? Because I think NATO is a useless and full of ♥♥♥♥ organization I must be Russian?

Where did I say you're Russian? Reading and understanding isn't one of your strong points.

I understand a simple "if not this, then that" mentality. That anyone who doesn't support Ukraine must be a Russian lover. Same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ I heard in the early 2000's that anyone who didn't support bombing the ♥♥♥♥ out of mostly civilians in Iraq was just a Muslim sympathizer. I know the mentality quite well, and how deeply rooted in ignorance and bigotry it actually is.

[Dom]

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On GDP (size of economy) basis, my country's listed as 6th in the world.

1st: Estonia
2nd: Denmark
3th: Norway
4th: Lithuania
5th: Latvia
6th: Finland
7th: Poland

US is ranked 19th.

It is America's duty because if they don't pass this aid package, soon they'll seriously fall behind on burden sharing. Especially when EU passed €50 billion aid package just few weeks ago. US has made a commitment and promise on the burden sharing.

"On GDP (size of economy) basis, my country's listed as 6th in the world."

America: "To date we have funded Ukraine with $113 BILLION dollars, while our own citizens suffer."
Finland: "Here's 50 dollars, put it with the rest. You need to do more."

Contributions are pretty much always calculated on the GDP basis. It's unfair to compare a country of few million and their economy to a country of 300 million and their economy.

Estonia is the biggest supporter of Ukraine so far, when the size of the economy is considered.

Last I checked 6% of their total population is Ukrainian refugees.
That'd be 20 million refugees in the US, just to put it into perspective.

This applies widely. When NATO says that countries should be spending 2% on defense, it means 2% of their GDP on defense.

[Xayc]

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I told you about that event about the summer of 2013, and for some reason you answered me with statements from the spring of 2014. Should I tell you what happened before, or don't you want to hear what a cause-and-effect relationship is? And that 2013 was earlier than 2014

It doesn't matter, Putin always considered Crimea part of Russia.

It doesn't matter what he thought. I say that all events began to happen after the Parliament of Ukraine forbade the extension of the agreement on the deployment of Russian ships in order to place American ships in place of them. These are the indisputable reasons for what is happening.

And you answered me about some statements that were also later than this date. Better think about it, and reconsider your position. I used to think it was different too

[Hobbit XIII]

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Althought it had a different purpose when it was created, in modern times the primary goal of NATO is to prevent a World War. They're doing their best to support Ukraine without making things worse and putting the whole world in danger.

It was always intended to prevent the Soviet Union from picking countries in Europe piecemeal by military force. Y’know, like they did with Poland.

And last I checked, they basically did nothing when Russia unilaterally annexed Crimea in 2014, and are now waffling in their support. “Support” in this case being military equipment that’s about to be decommissioned.

If the democracies of the world can’t even send their trash to a country to fight an invading force that’s still using soviet era weapons, what message does that send to the people of the world?

It says that the only way for you to be safe from authoritarian regimes is to ally with them.

you do realise Ukraine was not part of NATO and Russia breathed a sigh of relief when the anti air defence missile hit Poland was investigated before a NATO response as the missile was Russian people were expecting WW3 to happen.
Fortunately for Russia it was part of Ukrainian air defence that had gone wrong.

Russia only accepts strength and that is why it now faces problems for many years to come because of its war.
It is also why many Russian gangsters end up dead at the hands of European and American gangsters because Russian gangsters similar to Putin do not take subtle warnings.

[Hobbit XIII]

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Which alliance are you a part of?

None of us are part of any of these alliances. Do you think the heads of the EU, US, or NATO gives a flying ♥♥♥♥ about you or your life? ROFLMAO at thinking any of them are on the side of actual citizens.

I cannot speak for the US as they are going the Putin / China route of democracy with the support of Trump who likes all inherited wealth people or dictators.

NATO ?
It's better than being part of the Soviet Union, China, North Korea.