Europe is a joke.

[Shodan]

Yeah, what exactly do we do in Europe other than live on past glories like "ohhh we're so old, we have so much old stuff, suck it America", implement nonsensical regulations like non-removable bottle caps (because people who throw away plastic bottles totally throw away only the bottle cap and then politely dispose of the bottle itself) and then act like we're saving the entire world by doing that crap.

For example, Germany was just like "hey, let's ban coal power plants" despite it obviously being such a stupid idea that I still remember I was replaying Half-Life 2, specifically at Chapter 8 and in the cave where you get and learn to use the Pheropods when I overheard that nonsense on the news. Then, when it turned out to be a completely stupid idea (no way, I totally couldn't have seen that one coming), they were just like "oops, maybe coal power plants weren't so bad after all" and just brought them back. What an absolute joke. Not to mention how they had no heating in Winter because of sanctions against Russia that were imposed by... well... Europe. Amazing. And the result of those sanctions? We pretty much just screwed ourselves over because we rely on them while Russia was actually profiting off the whole thing... And now this is supposed to be some kind of a prestigious superpower. Like I said, amazing.

Another brilliant thing I recently heard is the EU complaining about how, watch this, Chinese cars are "unfairly cheap" and wanting to stop that for that very reason. Yeah, that's what Europe turned into. Instead of actually doing what they do and competing with them (you know, freedom, free market and all that), Europe just complains about how it's "unfairly cheap" and tries to impose even more stupid regulations.

Honestly, I don't know what else to add. You get the idea, I guess.

By the way, as someone who is known to be... I guess you could say not exactly the biggest fan of China, because of their government, just take a look at China for a second:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvq9pybXg-4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw3yXaVHuLs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Boh66Pjjiq0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMzCwwvHwN0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE1kwrLo14o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XKNbD9UCTk

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/gHFMBWi07-E

So... yeah. This speaks for itself. Sure, not all of China looks like this, but as you can see, it's developing insanely quickly and already looks like some futuristic alien world. And now see how pretentious Europe is doing in comparison, also how much we love talk ♥♥♥♥ about America since forever, despite the fact that they're the most powerful and the most influential country in the world which achieved all that in no time. And what have we got in Europe?

[Shodan]

Volvo is now Chinese, MG too, then Pirelli, Lotus and so on and so on. That's just cars. Everything is made in China, even iPhones, but Apple is still American and it's also the single richest company in the entire world. Well, as of recently (I think?), it's actually 2nd because Microsoft is 1st. Oh, you know where Microsoft is from? Yeah. Then there's Saudi Aramco which is also not European and then Google and so on. Amazon, Nvidia, Facebook... And then there's Europe. That's why I'm saying, what has Europe got? Other than non-removable bottle caps and acting like we're saving the entire universe with that nonsense... Or complaining about how Chinese cars are "unfairly cheap" instead of actually having competition... Then, remember that shortage of all new cars because of chips that come from Taiwan? You get my point?

[Rio]

Originally posted by Shodan:

Volvo is now Chinese, MG is also Chinese, then Pirelli, Lotus and so on and so on. That's just cars. Everything is made in China, even iPhones, but Apple is still American and it's the single richest company in the entire world. And then there's Europe. That's why I'm saying, what has Europe got? Other than non-removable bottle caps and acting like we're saving the entire universe with that nonsense... You get my point?

The west has had some desires to turn India into the new china, or Vietnam. That is, the worlds producers of cheap goods.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Shodan:

Volvo is now Chinese, MG is also Chinese and so on and so on. Everything is made in China. That's why I'm saying, what has Europe got? Other than non-removable bottle caps and acting like we're saving the entire universe with that nonsense... You get my point?

Europe does not seem that irrelevant:

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%2C%20China%2C%20Japan%2C,specified%20period%2C%20usually%20a%20year.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Freedom+Index+by+country

And last but not least, the quality of life index:

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Which clearly shows that numerous European countries are present in the top 10.

And now ask again " WhAt hAs EuRopE gOt? ".

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

[Shodan]

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Originally posted by Shodan:

Volvo is now Chinese, MG is also Chinese and so on and so on. Everything is made in China. That's why I'm saying, what has Europe got? Other than non-removable bottle caps and acting like we're saving the entire universe with that nonsense... You get my point?

Europe does not seem that irrelevant:

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%2C%20China%2C%20Japan%2C,specified%20period%2C%20usually%20a%20year.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Freedom+Index+by+country

And last but not least, the quality of life index:

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Which clearly shows that numerous European countries are present in the top 10.

And now ask again " WhAt hAs EuRopE gOt? ".

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

Wait a second, you're the guy who, just a few comments above this one, said that you can't even leave your house anymore without pepper spray? Also, Europe is not obsolete and irrelevant now, it just feels like it's increasingly becoming that way.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Shodan:

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Europe does not seem that irrelevant:

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%2C%20China%2C%20Japan%2C,specified%20period%2C%20usually%20a%20year.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Freedom+Index+by+country

And last but not least, the quality of life index:

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Which clearly shows that numerous European countries are present in the top 10.

And now ask again " WhAt hAs EuRopE gOt? ".

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

Wait a second, you're the guy who, just a few comments above this one, said that you can't even leave your house anymore without pepper spray? Also, Europe is not obsolete and irrelevant now, it just feels like it's increasingly becoming that way.

How does one excludes the other ?

Europe is getting more and more dangerous due to leftist politics and woke propaganda that has infested young generations who also happen to be able to vote.

This does not mean Europe is not a beautiful and strong place to live in.
Just because things are getting bad, does not mean we have to just accept it and talk about it as if its a done deal. Not sure where you are at home, but I don't randomly give up my home.

[Mauserich]

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Originally posted by Shodan:

Volvo is now Chinese, MG is also Chinese and so on and so on. Everything is made in China. That's why I'm saying, what has Europe got? Other than non-removable bottle caps and acting like we're saving the entire universe with that nonsense... You get my point?

Europe does not seem that irrelevant:

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%2C%20China%2C%20Japan%2C,specified%20period%2C%20usually%20a%20year.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Freedom+Index+by+country

And last but not least, the quality of life index:

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Which clearly shows that numerous European countries are present in the top 10.

And now ask again " WhAt hAs EuRopE gOt? ".

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

These are all dull statistics from individual countries. Europe is a geographical designation. Europe was never a single entity. It is not a unit and it will not become a unit except in statistics. We are all nations with more than two thousand years of history. There are the Romance, the Germanic and the Slavic regions and that is the established order.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

It's not about safety, it's about liberty. I don't care about safety if I can't be free, if I'm forced to see our farmers killing themselves out of despair, because some works all day to lose money, because the agroindustry refuse to buy them their products at a reasonnable price and stupid norms prevent them from reducing costs. That's the kind of BS we're forced to deal with and it's not only us.

I've seen, an african guy, ex farmer, who became homeless in France, explaining that he was a farmer, he was selling chickens in his country. Europeans came with free food from humanitarian aids and as peoples had free chickens from aids, his business sunk. Humanitarian aids destroy local farms by creating unfair competition and those peoples, unable to gain their own money, migrate in hope to find a job in Europe. But in Europe, they don't speak the tongue at all or well enough, they have no education suited for most jobs and they're almost sure to become homeless and live with illegal ♥♥♥♥♥♥ jobs.

I mean, even charity gone totally wrong ... What the ♥♥♥♥ is this mess ? The EU is just a big collection of such BS, all over. I want to regain the control of my own country and to be able to choose our collective fate, as I don't trust dumb globalists to do it for us. The EU doesn't protect us, it destroy our country to try to build a stupid utopia less and less peoples believe in here. It's enough.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Mauserich:

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Europe does not seem that irrelevant:

https://www.investopedia.com/insights/worlds-top-economies/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%2C%20China%2C%20Japan%2C,specified%20period%2C%20usually%20a%20year.

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Freedom+Index+by+country

And last but not least, the quality of life index:

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Which clearly shows that numerous European countries are present in the top 10.

And now ask again " WhAt hAs EuRopE gOt? ".

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

These are all dull statistics from individual countries. Europe is a geographical designation. Europe was never a single entity. It is not a unit and it will not become a unit except in statistics. We are all nations with more than two thousand years of history.

I don't want Europe to become one unit, who said that?

But I won't deny that us Europeans have a lot in common.

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

Originally posted by Pollux92:

Europe is the safest continent on the planet to live in, safe in regards to financial stability, medical care, risk of war, crime and so on and on. Generally speaking, Europe, especially countries within the EU, are the most developed piece of land on the planet.

It's not about safety, it's about liberty. I don't care about safety if I can't be free, if I'm forced to see our farmers killing themselves out of despair, because some works all day to lose money, because the agroindustry refuse to buy them their products at a reasonnable price and stupid norms prevent them from reducing costs. That's the kind of BS we're forced to deal with and it's not only us.

I've seen, an african guy, ex farmer, who became homeless in France, explaining that he was a farmer, he was selling chickens in his country. Europeans came with free food from humanitarian aids and as peoples had free chickens from aids, his business sunk. Humanitarian aids destroy local farms by creating unfair competition and those peoples, unable to gain their own money, migrate in hope to find a job in Europe. But in Europe, they don't speak the tongue at all or well enough, they have no education suited for most jobs and they're almost sure to become homeless and live with illegal ♥♥♥♥♥♥ jobs.

I mean, even charity gone totally wrong ... What the ♥♥♥♥ is this mess ? The EU is just a big collection of such BS, all over. I want to regain the control of my own country and to be able to choose our collective fate, as I don't trust dumb globalists to do it for us. The EU doesn't protect us, it destroy our country to try to build a stupid utopia less and less peoples believe in here. It's enough.

Just stating the current facts and according to that, the EU is a pretty safe place. Maybe not because of the EU, but because of individual countries within the EU.

I agree about what you have said, but the only way to regain control is to vote for a right-wing party, which more and more people are doing now.

[jisei]

europe isnt all the same...
like what are ut alking abt?
north? south? east? west, iberian peninsula? mf iceland?

[Shodan]

Originally posted by succubun:

europe isnt all the same...
like what are ut alking abt?
north? south? east? west, iberian peninsula? mf iceland?

Breaking it up sure as hell wouldn't be doing it a favor.

[jisei]

also, yr points of europe and china are incomparable. china has one of the biggest populations , ofc theyre living like this. it would be inefficient otherwise.
how about lifestyle? n china? why isnt everyone just up and moving there if things are SOOO much better?

[Shodan]

Originally posted by succubun:

also, yr points of europe and china are incomparable. china has one of the biggest populations , ofc theyre living like this. it would be inefficient otherwise.
how about lifestyle? n china? why isnt everyone just up and moving there if things are SOOO much better?

I wouldn't move there either. I'd most likely be fine if I had to, but I wouldn't. Visit thoug, absolutely. But, that's a different topic. Anyway, as for population, well, there are also the EU and US, not just China. Regardless of population, things are changing. We've always had lower population, but now the EU is afraid of Chinese cars. Yet, until recently, people here have never even heard of Chinese cars actually being a thing. That's what I'm saying.

[Netaris]

Originally posted by cat staccs:

And I would add that the only ones living on the past glories of Europe are the ones from countries who do poorly on their own such as eastern countries, in France we would like to move on from this concept.

Can't agree more with that. Knowing the past is important, but what's even more important is to do things well now. We're not living in the past, so I don't care if our past was great, it's still the past, it will not come back. What interest me is present and future, everything else is only for feeding the mind and nothing else.

[76561199474936232]

Originally posted by Ad Victoriam !:

I agree about what you have said, but the only way to regain control is to vote for a right-wing party, which more and more people are doing now.

Voting for controlled opposition (opposition funded by those who dislike the oppositions words but think they control them while giving normies false hope) only worked for National Socialist Germany and the Germans retook control of their country from God's Chosen People and Africans.

That was a fluke that God's Chosen People let happen once by accident but never will again so from my point of view the only way Europeans will make Europe European again and retake control is through a revolution.

[Zeno]

Originally posted by cat staccs:

And I would add that the only ones living on the past glories of Europe are the ones from countries who do poorly on their own such as eastern countries, in France we would like to move on from this concept.

No, you in France would not want to do that as the majority of French people have voted for Macron, who is a strong supporter of the EU and its existance, not for " Le Pen " who would have been more interested to leave the EU.

While furthermore : " In January 2019, pollster Institut français d'opinion publique conducted a survey on several questions that might be asked were the Citizens' initiative referendum to be applied in France. One of these questions is about the exit of France from the EU. The result was that 60% opposed it.[10] A YouGov/Eurotrack survey conducted in March 2023 among 1002 French citizens found that 48% would vote to remain in the EU, 26% would vote to leave, while another 26% would not know/refused/abstained.[11] "

(Wikipedia who took it from other sources).

So your statement :" in France we would like to move on from this concept. " is plain and simply wrong. Its just YOUR personal opinion you don't speak for all French nor do you speak for the majority of French people as the results of these surveys as well as the support fot the party or man in power have proven.

I also wonder where you take the " fact " from that only poor EU countries want the EU to persist ? Do you have a source or some sort of reliable article of some sort in regards to this at least ?

A FREXIT and numerous other nations had referendums and surveys about an EXIT from the EU numerous times already and each time the majority of people in all these countries (except for the UK) was against it.

So non of what you have stated here throughout this entire discussion is true or based on real facts.

No one cares about your personal hatred against the EU and stop acting as if you speak for everyone, you are not.