best albums of the 90s?

[replika]

mine are
1. my bloody valentine - loveless
2. type o negative - world coming down
3. nirvana - in utero
4. Fear Factory - Demanufacture

[ℭycaleo]

Originally posted by vkobe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCi9UlMHSns&ab_channel=MasterQualityMusic

[grape cough syrup]

Alison's Halo - Eyedazzler
Death (any)

[The Commendatore]

Joan Osborne - One of Us.

[MistyMountainHop]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Seems like people are interpreting the word "BEST" in OP's title as "FAVORITE."

In music, 'best' means 'genre defining' or 'music that created new sound' or 'created a new genre.' As much as I enjoy seeing the different albums listed on this thread, I find that the derivative bands like "Alice in Chains," "Beastie Boys" or "311" fall into the "FAVORITE" category and not the "BEST" category.

The 90s was when hiphop exploded and anything 'Beastie' in the 90s was the group in their decline. Dr. Dre, Snoop, those were the emerging hiphop/rap artists that defined the genre for decades to come.

'Alice in Chains' was just another rock/grunge mash-up band that followed in Pearl Jam and Nirvana's wake. AiC was not genre defining nor did they create a new sound. Frankly, Stone Temple Pilots did that sound better than AiC, even Everclear was a better band.

/rant

Awful take.

You're arguing semantics regarding "best" and "favorite". Nobody cares.

Nobody sounded like Alice in Chains before Facelift and Dirt dropped, but plenty since then have been heavily influenced by them. And AIC broke big on MTV with "Man in the Box" while Pearl Jam and Nirvana were still up and coming. Were you even around at the time?

Not everyone digs Snoop and Dre, so don't get upset when people rate the Beastie Boys higher than them. Beasties were far more creative anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Ever listen to Paul's Boutique?

[Holografix]

Originally posted by MistyMountainHop:

Originally posted by Holografix:

Seems like people are interpreting the word "BEST" in OP's title as "FAVORITE."

In music, 'best' means 'genre defining' or 'music that created new sound' or 'created a new genre.' As much as I enjoy seeing the different albums listed on this thread, I find that the derivative bands like "Alice in Chains," "Beastie Boys" or "311" fall into the "FAVORITE" category and not the "BEST" category.

The 90s was when hiphop exploded and anything 'Beastie' in the 90s was the group in their decline. Dr. Dre, Snoop, those were the emerging hiphop/rap artists that defined the genre for decades to come.

'Alice in Chains' was just another rock/grunge mash-up band that followed in Pearl Jam and Nirvana's wake. AiC was not genre defining nor did they create a new sound. Frankly, Stone Temple Pilots did that sound better than AiC, even Everclear was a better band.

/rant

Awful take.

You're arguing semantics regarding "best" and "favorite". Nobody cares.

Nobody sounded like Alice in Chains before Facelift and Dirt dropped, but plenty since then have been heavily influenced by them. And AIC broke big on MTV with "Man in the Box" while Pearl Jam and Nirvana were still up and coming. Were you even around at the time?

Not everyone digs Snoop and Dre, so don't get upset when people rate the Beastie Boys higher than them. Beasties were far more creative anyway, as far as I'm concerned. Ever listen to Paul's Boutique?

Obviously you cared enough to reply to my comment. Regardless of the weird combative overly aggressive style you chose to reply with, I'll reply to your comment.

To be sure, the 1990s was the death of rock. All the bands were in some form playing a eulogy to the form, with the grunge style being the sui generis of the death knell. Alice in Chains released 'Facelift' 1 year before Pearl Jam released their genre defining 'Ten' album. Pearl Jam's sound was identifiable as a 'genre' while AiC was sounds like muddled rock caught somewhere between metal and grunge. Sure, their songs aired on MTV but that doesn't make Facelift or Dirt a best album of the 90s. Pearl Jam took off and became a decade defining sound, AiC did not.

The Beastie's were an 80s hip hop group moreso than a 90s one. Dr. Dre and Snoop created a whole new sound with their music that made hip hop/rap the sound of the next couple decades. The Beastie's were in decline during the 90s, while Dre and Snoop were ascendant.

I think you proved my point about people interpreting the word "BEST" in the OP's title as "FAVORITE" when you discuss that people may prefer the Beastie's over Dre or Snoop. That's fine, but it's best to stay level headed about these kinds of discussions and not make the fatal error of claiming that all your favorite music is the "best" music.

*Ironically, no one posted Michael Jackson's Dangerous (1991) as a best album of the 90s even though it is one of the best selling albums of all time. This kind of shows that people are just posting their favorite stuff without paying attention to the prompt.

[TheHogfather]

Originally posted by Holografix:

Seems like people are interpreting the word "BEST" in OP's title as "FAVORITE."

In music, 'best' means 'genre defining' or 'music that created new sound' or 'created a new genre.' As much as I enjoy seeing the different albums listed on this thread, I find that the derivative bands like "Alice in Chains," "Beastie Boys" or "311" fall into the "FAVORITE" category and not the "BEST" category.

The 90s was when hiphop exploded and anything 'Beastie' in the 90s was the group in their decline. Dr. Dre, Snoop, those were the emerging hiphop/rap artists that defined the genre for decades to come.

'Alice in Chains' was just another rock/grunge mash-up band that followed in Pearl Jam and Nirvana's wake. AiC was not genre defining nor did they create a new sound. Frankly, Stone Temple Pilots did that sound better than AiC, even Everclear was a better band.

/rant

But... Op says "mine are" right after. Clearly they meant favorite too or else they wouldnt have spoken possessively about the "best" albums

[Holografix]

Originally posted by TheHogfather:

Originally posted by Holografix:

Seems like people are interpreting the word "BEST" in OP's title as "FAVORITE."

In music, 'best' means 'genre defining' or 'music that created new sound' or 'created a new genre.' As much as I enjoy seeing the different albums listed on this thread, I find that the derivative bands like "Alice in Chains," "Beastie Boys" or "311" fall into the "FAVORITE" category and not the "BEST" category.

The 90s was when hiphop exploded and anything 'Beastie' in the 90s was the group in their decline. Dr. Dre, Snoop, those were the emerging hiphop/rap artists that defined the genre for decades to come.

'Alice in Chains' was just another rock/grunge mash-up band that followed in Pearl Jam and Nirvana's wake. AiC was not genre defining nor did they create a new sound. Frankly, Stone Temple Pilots did that sound better than AiC, even Everclear was a better band.

/rant

But... Op says "mine are" right after. Clearly they meant favorite too or else they wouldnt have spoken possessively about the "best" albums

Yah, even OP interprets "BEST" as meaning "FAVORITE." Good catch.

So why doesn't OP just re-write the topic as "favorite albums of the 90s?" Then people can just post whatever, and this thread won't be haunted by the likes of me: the OT ghost of logic, facts, and accuracy.

[MistyMountainHop]

Originally posted by Holografix:

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Beastie Boys released three critically acclaimed and very successful albums in the 90s. Hardly a decline.

I think you're letting your apparent dislike of Alice in Chains get in the way of things. Whether you like it or not, they were one of the most unique rock bands of their era, found success prior to Pearl Jam, and established a sound that is imitated to this day. They're every bit as "decade-defining" as Pearl Jam, and arguably have a better legacy to boot, considering their influence has a much wider genre range (even Slayer swiped a bit of their sound at one point).

It's also kind of odd to take any one grunge band and call it more identifiable as a genre than another grunge band. If you've noticed, the "big four" of grunge had very dissimilar sounds.

[The Commendatore]

Originally posted by Holografix:

...the OT ghost of logic, facts, and accuracy.

Is it opposite day? You're none of those things.

[Holografix]

Originally posted by The Commendatore:

Originally posted by Holografix:

...the OT ghost of logic, facts, and accuracy.

Is it opposite day? You're none of those things.

you're welcome to your opinion. But as a point of accuracy, Osborne did not release any albums in the 90s worth being called the 'best.'

[Greg]

How about 'Make Yourself'. Was that 90's?

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No more tears. Or was that released in 89?

[Holografix]

Originally posted by MistyMountainHop:

Originally posted by Holografix:

**wall of text**

Beastie Boys released three critically acclaimed and very successful albums in the 90s. Hardly a decline.

I think you're letting your apparent dislike of Alice in Chains get in the way of things. Whether you like it or not, they were one of the most unique rock bands of their era, found success prior to Pearl Jam, and established a sound that is imitated to this day. They're every bit as "decade-defining" as Pearl Jam, and arguably have a better legacy to boot, considering their influence has a much wider genre range (even Slayer swiped a bit of their sound at one point).

It's also kind of odd to take any one grunge band and call it more identifiable as a genre than another grunge band. If you've noticed, the "big four" of grunge had very dissimilar sounds.

The 'Beastie' sound is definitively 80s hiphop and although they might have released 'critically acclaimed' albums their signature sound did not evolve past what they released in the 80s. 90s hiphop is of a different sound than 80s hiphop. Think WuTang, Dre, Snoop, etc.

Calling a band "one of the most unique rock bands of their era" is hyperbole.

Grunge is a rock style that emerged from and defined the 1990s.

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Originally posted by Holografix:

Originally posted by MistyMountainHop:

Beastie Boys released three critically acclaimed and very successful albums in the 90s. Hardly a decline.

I think you're letting your apparent dislike of Alice in Chains get in the way of things. Whether you like it or not, they were one of the most unique rock bands of their era, found success prior to Pearl Jam, and established a sound that is imitated to this day. They're every bit as "decade-defining" as Pearl Jam, and arguably have a better legacy to boot, considering their influence has a much wider genre range (even Slayer swiped a bit of their sound at one point).

It's also kind of odd to take any one grunge band and call it more identifiable as a genre than another grunge band. If you've noticed, the "big four" of grunge had very dissimilar sounds.

The 'Beastie' sound is definitively 80s hiphop and although they might have released 'critically acclaimed' albums their signature sound did not evolve past what they released in the 80s. 90s hiphop is of a different sound than 80s hiphop. Think WuTang, Dre, Snoop, etc.

Calling a band "one of the most unique rock bands of their era" is hyperbole.

Grunge is a rock style that emerged from and defined the 1990s.

Which Dr Dre as there was 2 of them Dr Dre and Ed lover and Dr Dre

[MistyMountainHop]

Originally posted by Holografix:

The 'Beastie' sound is definitively 80s hiphop and although they might have released 'critically acclaimed' albums their signature sound did not evolve past what they released in the 80s. 90s hiphop is of a different sound than 80s hiphop. Think WuTang, Dre, Snoop, etc.

Not "might have". They did.
Claiming that the band didn't evolve past their 80s sound just tells me that you haven't listened to their albums.

Originally posted by Holografix:

Calling a band "one of the most unique rock bands of their era" is hyperbole.

Calling them "derivative" is dumb. Derivative of who?

Originally posted by Holografix:

Grunge is a rock style that emerged from and defined the 1990s.

It emerged from the 80s. Ever listen to stuff like Melvins or Mother Love Bone? Even Nirvana dropped a record in the 80s.