The Acolyte (Cancelled) - A new low for Star Wars?

[AdahnGorion]

The new Acolyte series is out now (with two episodes) and the reception have been lukewarm so far. Currently it is sitting at 4.9 stars on IMDB
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12262202/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_acoly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0kVcKX1Ny0


I am sure that Amazon (whom owns IMDB) will remove many reviews, but it still seems like most "fans" dislike the new approach that was tried with this new series.
The series is created by Leslye Headland, whom is well know for controversial talks about what they think SW fans are and that they want a new fanbase.

Their approach to me would be the same if you tried to sell boats in Nepal, insisting that even if there is no need or demand for it, then the Nepalese would just be discriminative or bigots, if they did not buy said boats....... seems really odd.


Have you seen the series? what do you think about it? do you want to see it? do you think the reviews are trolling or genuine? lets us all know in the comments.


Personally I don´t think there is anything wrong with the series outside what looks like a lack of demand. It does seem like many reviews are genuine and that the story, characters and so forth feel pretty flat and uninteresting. I fully respect people that might like this, but I think its far away from classic SW lore.

This show have been cancelled!
https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-acolyte-canceled-no-season-2-star-wars-disney-plus-1236044233/

Have a wonderful day all and remember to be friendly and constructive.

[Sarge the Erdrick dog dawg]

Sins of History a écrit :

Talia Lebowitz a écrit :

Needs more trans lesbians like myself honestly

You think you're trolling others, but at the end of the day, you're actually only trolling yourself.

But if you can’t troll yourself can you really troll others?

[AdahnGorion]

Holografix a écrit :

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Indeed and I will ask you the same as I did them.
Why do you think the show is cool?

Never had a SW show set during the High Republic era. That's interesting. I also like the characters. Wookie Jedi even if only conceptual is bonus points. I like Osha and Mae too.

The Witch force is nothing new, Mandalorian and Ahsoka dealt with witch covens that used the force. But in this show, the coven is into life bringing as opposed to the covens in Ahsoka which were into necromancy.

I don´t consider any of those shows canon, since all 3 of them break lore.
That being said, you seem to bring out a liking for wtich stuff.. that is perfectly fine, I don´t think it should be in SW in the way its implemented. As for the High Republic era, that is a fine and solid take! albeit this is in the end days of it.

Its a shame that 180 million USD was not enough money to make the wookie Jedi fight.. not that they can have been any good, being killed by a ninja.
Ahsoka is not really my taste (never watched the animations) albeit I know many like them (younger generation) so I can´t say if they have witch stuff in them or not, nor the live action.

Its clear to me, that you are a target audience for the show and I am not. Thank you for telling us what you like about it, its nice to see some of the those that like the show here as well.
Its important to note, that I respect your opinion and the fact you like the show.. SW is for fans like you now, I will move on to something else

Have a good day.

[Катюша]

They should just end the franchise altogether. Return to it in like three decades when ideas have been left to stew for long enough and those currently involved have either moved on or retired.

They produce nothing but absolute dogshite with the franchise at the moment and a total restart is needed.

[AdahnGorion]

Катюша a écrit :

They should just end the franchise altogether. Return to it in like three decades when ideas have been left to stew for long enough and those currently involved have either moved on or retired.

They produce nothing but absolute dogshite with the franchise at the moment and a total restart is needed.

Its a new target audience, we have fans of this series in this thread.

[Holografix]

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

Never had a SW show set during the High Republic era. That's interesting. I also like the characters. Wookie Jedi even if only conceptual is bonus points. I like Osha and Mae too.

The Witch force is nothing new, Mandalorian and Ahsoka dealt with witch covens that used the force. But in this show, the coven is into life bringing as opposed to the covens in Ahsoka which were into necromancy.

I don´t consider any of those shows canon, since all 3 of them break lore.
That being said, you seem to bring out a liking for wtich stuff.. that is perfectly fine, I don´t think it should be in SW in the way its implemented. As for the High Republic era, that is a fine and solid take! albeit this is in the end days of it.

Its a shame that 180 million USD was not enough money to make the wookie Jedi fight.. not that they can have been any good, being killed by a ninja.
Ahsoka is not really my taste (never watched the animations) albeit I know many like them (younger generation) so I can´t say if they have witch stuff in them or not, nor the live action.

Its clear to me, that you are a target audience for the show and I am not. Thank you for telling us what you like about it, its nice to see some of the those that like the show here as well.
Its important to note, that I respect your opinion and the fact you like the show.. SW is for fans like you now, I will move on to something else :goalsmile:

Have a good day.

I don't know what 'canon' is in a fictional universe like Star Wars. I always thought the idea of canon was primarily for Academia (books, and authors) and religious rules put in place by people in authority (popes, bishops).

The cartoon series do feature witches in them. but yah, a wookie jedi battle was a missed opportunity. i'm sure Disney will eventually showcase a wookie jedi though.

Glad to discuss the show with you, as your comments are quite reasonable. Take care, and may the force be with you.

[AdahnGorion]

Holografix a écrit :

AdahnGorion a écrit :

I don´t consider any of those shows canon, since all 3 of them break lore.
That being said, you seem to bring out a liking for wtich stuff.. that is perfectly fine, I don´t think it should be in SW in the way its implemented. As for the High Republic era, that is a fine and solid take! albeit this is in the end days of it.

Its a shame that 180 million USD was not enough money to make the wookie Jedi fight.. not that they can have been any good, being killed by a ninja.
Ahsoka is not really my taste (never watched the animations) albeit I know many like them (younger generation) so I can´t say if they have witch stuff in them or not, nor the live action.

Its clear to me, that you are a target audience for the show and I am not. Thank you for telling us what you like about it, its nice to see some of the those that like the show here as well.
Its important to note, that I respect your opinion and the fact you like the show.. SW is for fans like you now, I will move on to something else

Have a good day.

I don't know what 'canon' is in a fictional universe like Star Wars. I always thought the idea of canon was primarily for Academia (books, and authors) and religious rules put in place by people in authority (popes, bishops).

The cartoon series do feature witches in them. but yah, a wookie jedi battle was a missed opportunity. i'm sure Disney will eventually showcase a wookie jedi though.

Glad to discuss the show with you, as your comments are quite reasonable. Take care, and may the force be with you.

Obviously it is linked to the lores established by the original writer. We have specific guidelines for what is authentic or not within the fictional universe (if we had no principles, rules, standards, or norms, then every single work within this art could be just whatever you wanted)

Say take ie. Tolkien.. that could be set in New York 2024 and the old fantasy races could be just worker groups and so forth.... (that would be problematic, but that is the point here)
Or we could take Harry Potter universe.. imagine if there was no magic anymore and wizards were just people that had been trapped in eternal dream state via a "dream gaming device"

We could go on...it would break every structure set for the writing and its premise.
Its perfectly alright to build on lore or even sometimes try to expand it a tad, but when you try to completely rewrite it and change in, then it becomes problematic.

Hence why some say this is canon breaking.. its not really SW, its more like a satirical Headland show, set in a fictional universe (Headland is known for her satire and controversy)

[Holografix]

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

I don't know what 'canon' is in a fictional universe like Star Wars. I always thought the idea of canon was primarily for Academia (books, and authors) and religious rules put in place by people in authority (popes, bishops).

The cartoon series do feature witches in them. but yah, a wookie jedi battle was a missed opportunity. i'm sure Disney will eventually showcase a wookie jedi though.

Glad to discuss the show with you, as your comments are quite reasonable. Take care, and may the force be with you.

Obviously it is linked to the lores established by the original writer. We have specific guidelines for what is authentic or not within the fictional universe (if we had no principles, rules, standards, or norms, then every single work within this art could be just whatever you wanted)

Say take ie. Tolkien.. that could be set in New York 2024 and the old fantasy races could be just worker groups and so forth.... (that would be problematic, but that is the point here)
Or we could take Harry Potter universe.. imagine if there was no magic anymore and wizards were just people that had been trapped in eternal dream state via a "dream gaming device"

We could go on...it would break every structure set for the writing and its premise.
Its perfectly alright to build on lore or even sometimes try to expand it a tad, but when you try to completely rewrite it and change in, then it becomes problematic.

Hence why some say this is canon breaking.. its not really SW, its more like a satirical Headland show, set in a fictional universe (Headland is known for her satire and controversy)

Your definition of 'canon' seems logically problematic. Specifically, it seems as though it falls under the 'No True Scotsman' logical fallacy.

For instance, where is line drawn for what counts as 'canon' in Star Wars? If Ahsoka, Acoloyte and the cartoon The Clone Wars are all created by Star Wars why aren't they canon?

Do you consider yourself the arbitar of all things canon within the Star Wars universe? Above even the creators of the Star Wars shows?

[AdahnGorion]

Holografix a écrit :

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Obviously it is linked to the lores established by the original writer. We have specific guidelines for what is authentic or not within the fictional universe (if we had no principles, rules, standards, or norms, then every single work within this art could be just whatever you wanted)

Say take ie. Tolkien.. that could be set in New York 2024 and the old fantasy races could be just worker groups and so forth.... (that would be problematic, but that is the point here)
Or we could take Harry Potter universe.. imagine if there was no magic anymore and wizards were just people that had been trapped in eternal dream state via a "dream gaming device"

We could go on...it would break every structure set for the writing and its premise.
Its perfectly alright to build on lore or even sometimes try to expand it a tad, but when you try to completely rewrite it and change in, then it becomes problematic.

Hence why some say this is canon breaking.. its not really SW, its more like a satirical Headland show, set in a fictional universe (Headland is known for her satire and controversy)

Your definition of 'canon' seems logically problematic. Specifically, it seems as though it falls under the 'No True Scotsman' logical fallacy.

For instance, where is line drawn for what counts as 'canon' in Star Wars? If Ahsoka, Acoloyte and the cartoon The Clone Wars are all created by Star Wars why aren't they canon?

Do you consider yourself the arbitar of all things canon within the Star Wars universe? Above even the creators of the Star Wars shows?

It was not a definition of canon.
If you want a definition it would be something akin to.

the authentic works of a writer, along with a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms.

Those are ofc abit of what I establish.. obviously the Acolyte breaks both principles, norms, rules and standards of the original writers work.
Its not hard to understand in my opinion.

With that being said, Disney SW could be argued to just be a "new" canon.. and disregard the old ways.. this is why I say you are the target audience for Disney SW and I am not. There is a schism involved here after all.


Its pretty easy to deduct the said principles, rules, standards and norms from the original movies. Its logic....

[Holografix]

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

Your definition of 'canon' seems logically problematic. Specifically, it seems as though it falls under the 'No True Scotsman' logical fallacy.

For instance, where is line drawn for what counts as 'canon' in Star Wars? If Ahsoka, Acoloyte and the cartoon The Clone Wars are all created by Star Wars why aren't they canon?

Do you consider yourself the arbitar of all things canon within the Star Wars universe? Above even the creators of the Star Wars shows?

It was not a definition of canon.
If you want a definition it would be something akin to.

the authentic works of a writer, along with a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms.

Those are ofc abit of what I establish.. obviously the Acolyte breaks both principles, norms, rules and standards of the original writers work.
Its not hard to understand in my opinion.

With that being said, Disney SW could be argued to just be a "new" canon.. and disregard the old ways.. this is why I say you are the target audience for Disney SW and I am not. There is a schism involved here after all.


Its pretty easy to deduct the said principles, rules, standards and norms from the original movies. Its logic....

Original writers of Star Wars? Like the original 1977/1979/1981 films?

But films don't have sole authorships, they are a collaborative effort with many people contributing to the story: director, writers, producers, etc.

Who would you consider to be the authentic "writer" of an inherently collaborative project?

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Expanded Universe/Legends is canon.

[Boblin the Goblin]

AdahnGorion a écrit :

Holografix a écrit :

Your definition of 'canon' seems logically problematic. Specifically, it seems as though it falls under the 'No True Scotsman' logical fallacy.

For instance, where is line drawn for what counts as 'canon' in Star Wars? If Ahsoka, Acoloyte and the cartoon The Clone Wars are all created by Star Wars why aren't they canon?

Do you consider yourself the arbitar of all things canon within the Star Wars universe? Above even the creators of the Star Wars shows?

It was not a definition of canon.
If you want a definition it would be something akin to.

the authentic works of a writer, along with a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms.

Those are ofc abit of what I establish.. obviously the Acolyte breaks both principles, norms, rules and standards of the original writers work.
Its not hard to understand in my opinion.

With that being said, Disney SW could be argued to just be a "new" canon.. and disregard the old ways.. this is why I say you are the target audience for Disney SW and I am not. There is a schism involved here after all.


Its pretty easy to deduct the said principles, rules, standards and norms from the original movies. Its logic....

The 'misunderstanding' that is happening is on purpose. It's a thing they do.

In another thread, canon was argued for the justification of the witches coven that raised the sisters. By the person now arguing canon doesn't matter in a fictional universe.

[AdahnGorion]

SlowMango a écrit :

AdahnGorion a écrit :

It was not a definition of canon.
If you want a definition it would be something akin to.

the authentic works of a writer, along with a body of principles, rules, standards, or norms.

Those are ofc abit of what I establish.. obviously the Acolyte breaks both principles, norms, rules and standards of the original writers work.
Its not hard to understand in my opinion.

With that being said, Disney SW could be argued to just be a "new" canon.. and disregard the old ways.. this is why I say you are the target audience for Disney SW and I am not. There is a schism involved here after all.


Its pretty easy to deduct the said principles, rules, standards and norms from the original movies. Its logic....

The 'misunderstanding' that is happening is on purpose. It's a thing they do.

In another thread, canon was argued for the justification of the witches coven that raised the sisters. By the person now arguing canon doesn't matter in a fictional universe.

Witches is not what is making this lore breaking or weird... we had Nightsisters back in the 90´s (again we can talk about what is canon and what is EU or even new takes) its important to note that ie. the Nightsisters were dark force users.

I never particular liked clone wars, infact I think its pretty destructive to the SW lore and universe overall.. but the generation that grew up with it love it..

[Boblin the Goblin]

AdahnGorion a écrit :

SlowMango a écrit :

The 'misunderstanding' that is happening is on purpose. It's a thing they do.

In another thread, canon was argued for the justification of the witches coven that raised the sisters. By the person now arguing canon doesn't matter in a fictional universe.

Witches is not what is making this lore breaking or weird... we had Nightsisters back in the 90´s (again we can talk about what is canon and what is EU or even new takes) its important to note that ie. the Nightsisters were dark force users.

I never particular liked clone wars, infact I think its pretty destructive to the SW lore and universe overall.. but the generation that grew up with it love it..

I'm just pointing out that the argument of "canon doesn't matter" isn't genuine since the exact opposite was used in another thread.

[Sarge the Erdrick dog dawg]

What I wanna know is when did they change the canon to make stone insanely flammable?

Why does that massive “hidden” stone fortress built on a giant peak ( the witches are in hiding from the Jedi mind you ) catch on fire from a burnt journal?

It’s just bad writing.

[Groogo]

Sarge Werbenjagermanjensen #1 a écrit :

What I wanna know is when did they change the canon to make stone insanely flammable?

Why does that massive “hidden” stone fortress built on a giant peak ( the witches are in hiding from the Jedi mind you ) catch on fire from a burnt journal?

It’s just bad writing.

I have read 30+ Star Wars novels that cover a great war, the Yuuzhan Vong wars. They were all good quality reads and ran from excellent edge of your're seat pacing to 2 or 3 slow paced reads. The Acolyte has nothing to do with much of the Star Wars universe as far as I am concerned.