The Acolyte (Cancelled) - A new low for Star Wars?

[AdahnGorion]

The new Acolyte series is out now (with two episodes) and the reception have been lukewarm so far. Currently it is sitting at 4.9 stars on IMDB
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt12262202/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_8_nm_0_q_acoly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0kVcKX1Ny0


I am sure that Amazon (whom owns IMDB) will remove many reviews, but it still seems like most "fans" dislike the new approach that was tried with this new series.
The series is created by Leslye Headland, whom is well know for controversial talks about what they think SW fans are and that they want a new fanbase.

Their approach to me would be the same if you tried to sell boats in Nepal, insisting that even if there is no need or demand for it, then the Nepalese would just be discriminative or bigots, if they did not buy said boats....... seems really odd.


Have you seen the series? what do you think about it? do you want to see it? do you think the reviews are trolling or genuine? lets us all know in the comments.


Personally I don´t think there is anything wrong with the series outside what looks like a lack of demand. It does seem like many reviews are genuine and that the story, characters and so forth feel pretty flat and uninteresting. I fully respect people that might like this, but I think its far away from classic SW lore.

This show have been cancelled!
https://deadline.com/2024/08/the-acolyte-canceled-no-season-2-star-wars-disney-plus-1236044233/

Have a wonderful day all and remember to be friendly and constructive.

[Duck Twacy]

No. The original SW was a film for all audiences, and focused on a disenfranchised but creative post grad, Luke Skywalker, who may have been susceptible to racist and fascist rhetoric.

The Ewoks were the reminder to include everyone i the struggle against hate based rhetoric and philosophy; "the little people" and the "cute people" of all ages, because they're people too.

And it was also to get really young kids involved in the SW cultural phenomena. Whether anyone agrees with it or not ... well, that's their own business.

I had fun with the first two films, thought the third one was an okay conclusion. Thought The Phantom Menace and afterwards were mean spirited because that was Lucas's attempt top find the next tyrant. But it didn't find nor stop any of the leaders, domestic and abroad. So ... whatever.

The big come back is that "gee, they're just films." That's true, but there's a whole history of why the film industry was so guarded at one time. And fortunately YouTube has shown that that was unneeded. In the meantime, if you're a SW fan, then enjoy being one. Enjoy life.

[Groogo]

Star Wars is DEI/Woke from the Disney CEO on down to the people they hire. There is no need to wonder why the Star Wars franchise has churned out bad movie's and television shows.
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During a series of undercover videos made by investigative journalist James O'Keefe's O'Keefe Media Group, a Disney senior vice president named Michael Giordano appeared to detail a series of questionable hiring practices and beliefs ingrained at the company.

Speaking to an undercover reporter, Giordano claimed that diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives go right to the top, including through CEO Bob Iger.

"Do you think Bob has a say in the diversity stuff when they’re casting people?" the journalist asked.

"100%. He gives the directive ... 'Hey, I want every show to have substantial diversity,'" the executive said.

[Morkonan]

Origineel geplaatst door Groogo:

Star Wars is DEI/Woke from the Disney CEO on down to the people they hire. There is no need to wonder why the Star Wars franchise has churned out bad movie's and television shows.
-------------

During a series of undercover videos made by investigative journalist James O'Keefe's O'Keefe Media Group, a Disney senior vice president named Michael Giordano appeared to detail a series of questionable hiring practices and beliefs ingrained at the company.

Speaking to an undercover reporter, Giordano claimed that diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives go right to the top, including through CEO Bob Iger.

"Do you think Bob has a say in the diversity stuff when they’re casting people?" the journalist asked.

"100%. He gives the directive ... 'Hey, I want every show to have substantial diversity,'" the executive said.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/undercover-okeefe-video-disney-vp-says-the-company-discriminates-against-white-men

https://x.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1803833834946883901

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Arvaos:

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

EXACTLY. It's a different way of writing a character. It's an ACTIVE trait, a trait that spurs the character forward.

Rey's story is a bildungsroman.

How are the martial arts? Sounds like an interesting aspect of the show.

the martial art scenes are pretty cool. i like them. very exciting.

[abcd]

But the Ewoks were absolutely vicious cannibals that destroyed everything they touched. The planet was nearly uninhabited because the Ewoks attacked and ultimate destroyed any but the most-fortified townships and bases. With stick and stones and log traps. Then they ate everyone.

Many high-level diplomatic agents and intelligence agents are on record regarding the intelligence community as perpetuating the same sorts of behavior both domestically and abroad. Often in the name of nativism.

But Chewbacca was also an intelligence agent. And so was Han Solo. And so was Leia and Luke and Lando and R2D2. C3PO was more of a diplomat, but he would go along on almost anything.

Somebody somewhere saw these furry little monsters and took personal offense, and then tossed the intelligence community on the order pin for it. That's what I suspect.

Similar to the Jar-Jar thing.

[Holografix]

Star Wars has got to be one the most toxic and deranged fandoms around, the fact that so many actors, actresses and those behind the scenes in the franchise have reported death threats, rape threats and more is just shocking.

George Lucas sold away his life's work because he was sick of dealing with the fans. That should tell anybody everything they need to know about how horrible the fanbase is.

[Chunk Norris ☯]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Origineel geplaatst door savageone:

The woke is killing Star Wars.

What's 'woke' mean?

The political religion of the left....people get tired of being preached to. They want to enjoy a good movie/show/video game not have bad-writing take over because the writers want to make a political statement that often has nothing to do with the original content.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Origineel geplaatst door Holografix:

Star Wars has got to be one the most toxic and deranged fandoms around, the fact that so many actors, actresses and those behind the scenes in the franchise have reported death threats, rape threats and more is just shocking.

George Lucas sold away his life's work because he was sick of dealing with the fans. That should tell anybody everything they need to know about how horrible the fanbase is.

cool bait

[Jackie Daytona]

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

Origineel geplaatst door Jackie Daytona:

I tend to blame the person in charge. KK has final say of everything that comes out of Lucasfilm. At ANY TIME, she could have said, "No." She didn't. Even if she isn't in direct control of everything? She chooses not to stop it. And it has gone on ever since she was put in charge.

I watched a video sometime ago. It was by an expert musician that teaches music. He explains, in detail, that objectively, music is worse.

We no longer get long guitar solos. Or drum solos. We hardly even get extended instrumental sequences.

It's no longer complicated. It's just simple repeating patterns. With people that can't sing. Rappers that can't rhyme. Songwriters devoid of substance.

Take it all the way back to classical. One dude makes a song that requires 30 people to perform... all at once. And they all have to work together. At the same time. To produce a specific sound. And they all must be masters of their instruments.

Degradation of music is not a perception based on age. It is a very real and documentable thing.

'The Acolyte' is similar. Compare to 'Rogue One'. Compare that to 'Empire Strikes Back'.

Like most cinema, it's the same downward decline. Reboots. Rehashes. Bad writing. Bad acting. Bad sets. Bad plots. And all due to bad leadership.

There are more than one in charge btw.

There's an old term: the buck stops here.

One of the pains of leadership is taking responsibility for those under you.

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

Anyway.. I still don´t think she is to blame overall. Albeit its odd to hire a director that is mostly known for making controversial stuff and to make people mad.

She approves the scripts. She approves the hires. She thought this was a good product! (Even said as such in an interview.) Who else could be blamed?

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

What they have found out, is that music is now also visual entertainment.. its very focused on a few specific patterns and beats (one might argue it was the same with classic to some degree)
But all modern pop music, is the exact same if you cook it down.

I can't tell if you agree or disagree with me.

Music has been a visual medium ever since MTV. Which was around 40 years ago.

As far as repetition, yes. That's a part of music. However, 3-5 second loops with heavy bass for 4 minutes is just noise.

'The Mandalorian' had amazing music. The music fits and improves what is happening on-screen. Invoking an emotional response. Music of 'The Acolyte' makes me feel... nothing. It's just kinda... there. It's the kind of thing you would hear in a Star Wars show/movie, but it's not impactful.

Origineel geplaatst door AdahnGorion:

Origineel geplaatst door savageone:

The woke is killing Star Wars.

I don´t think most people really care about the american culture trend war (with that woke and anti woke stuff)
Most people I know just think the show is pretty subpar on its progression, plots, characters and so forth, along with all the lore breaking things.. the latter is the most problematic.

It's not an exclusively American thing. It's happening in Canada, New Zealand, England, Scotland, Ireland, France, and Australia. (And probably other places I'm forgetting about.) The divide is real. It's really hard to be a centrist these days. Because everyone is so extreme.

The biggest fault of the show is that it's more about the message than the galaxy. Don't create a story and force it into a world. Understand the world and build a story within.

[Neurotic Panda]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwizEknrWxA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ExfM2zAf8

[Othobrithol]

Your beer advertises to someone not like you.. it's woke.
When a show is a let down... it's because of woke.
When your spouse cheats on you... yup woke is to blame.
When you step in gum... it's woke gum.
When you can't get laid.... woke.
When you do get laid and your pee pee hurts after....yup, you got woke.
Everything bad in the universe is because of woke.
Woke, woke, woke, woke.

The problem here isn't progressive values, inclusiveness etc
The problem is vocabulary, or more accurately, the lack thereof.

[Holografix]

Origineel geplaatst door Othobrithol:

The problem is vocabulary, or more accurately, the lack thereof.

Yup. The whole "I am Groot" speech issue.

[Obelisk]

The Acolyte is cringe

[Groogo]

Origineel geplaatst door Stellar Butts:

The Acolyte is cringe

Based!

[Obelisk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzjOMmp8TT4