Vape

[skipper]

Just like cigarette should be banned in public places especially inside they are toxic and disgusting. I always make a point across when i get vaped on i still cough out loud just to make a point. Kill your self if you want but not others and dont invade other people clean air space with that crap.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Speaking of facts, prohibition didn't ban ethonal, only intoxicating alcohol.

true. people were though using 150+ proof alcohol to power things. Alcohol was banned for a few reasons back then. people being mongrels and abusing ( like now), people bypassing paying for 'gas' by producing their own free energy source, etc. Govt was like.. we need to ban this until we look more into it. of course like the uncivilized addicts people are they had a massive hissy fit. Like the mom or teacher taking away the 'kids' video games now. violent protests and outbursts take place.

anyways, reached my personal daily post limit for this brain rotting forum.

:medidynasty_death:

Except only intoxicating alcohol was banned. You could also still make alcohol at home. Both of those remove the 'bypass paying for gas' theory of the prohibition.

So much for 'facts and stats'.

[Mason]

I thought they were banned indoors, just like cigarettes... but, yeah cigarettes, vapes and whatnot are bad and I used to vape for a couple years before I quit in 2020, but you wanna know what's really bad? Alcohol. Most lists I found on various websites place drunk driving as the third most common cause of motor vehicle crashes, behind distracted driving and speeding. On another website I read that there were over 13,000 drunk driving deaths in the United States in 2022. And that's just motor vehicle stats. What's really more of an issue here? People killing themselves and others while driving drunk or someone smoking a cigarette? Both of them directly affect other people, but alcohol is objectively worse.

I'm not advocating for banning alcohol though. However it is a problem and many people have a serious drinking addiction, and it is the cause of tens of thousands of deaths just in the US every year. It impairs you in several ways where a cigarette does not. Of course second-hand smoke is an issue, hence why the majority of businesses banned smoking indoors, I'm fairly certain vapes are included in this, I could be wrong though.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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I thought they were banned indoors, just like cigarettes... but, yeah cigarettes, vapes and whatnot are bad and I used to vape for a couple years before I quit in 2020, but you wanna know what's really bad? Alcohol. Most lists I found on various websites place drunk driving as the third most common cause of motor vehicle crashes, behind distracted driving and speeding. On another website I read that there were over 13,000 drunk driving deaths in the United States in 2022. And that's just motor vehicle stats. What's really more of an issue here? People killing themselves and others while driving drunk or someone smoking a cigarette? Both of them directly affect other people, but alcohol is objectively worse.

I'm not advocating for banning alcohol though. However it is a problem and many people have a serious drinking addiction, and it is the cause of tens of thousands of deaths just in the US every year. It impairs you in several ways where a cigarette does not. Of course second-hand smoke is an issue, hence why the majority of businesses banned smoking indoors, I'm fairly certain vapes are included in this, I could be wrong though.

Cigarettes will always affect those around you when you consume them at home. Alcohol does not.

As well as alcohol has been linked to some health benefits when consumed in moderation. Cigarettes have absolutely zero health benefits not matter how little they are consumed.

[Mason]

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I thought they were banned indoors, just like cigarettes... but, yeah cigarettes, vapes and whatnot are bad and I used to vape for a couple years before I quit in 2020, but you wanna know what's really bad? Alcohol. Most lists I found on various websites place drunk driving as the third most common cause of motor vehicle crashes, behind distracted driving and speeding. On another website I read that there were over 13,000 drunk driving deaths in the United States in 2022. And that's just motor vehicle stats. What's really more of an issue here? People killing themselves and others while driving drunk or someone smoking a cigarette? Both of them directly affect other people, but alcohol is objectively worse.

I'm not advocating for banning alcohol though. However it is a problem and many people have a serious drinking addiction, and it is the cause of tens of thousands of deaths just in the US every year. It impairs you in several ways where a cigarette does not. Of course second-hand smoke is an issue, hence why the majority of businesses banned smoking indoors, I'm fairly certain vapes are included in this, I could be wrong though.

Cigarettes will always affect those around you when you consume them at home. Alcohol does not.

As well as alcohol has been linked to some health benefits when consumed in moderation. Cigarettes have absolutely zero health benefits not matter how little they are consumed.

Care to cite the studies that say alcohol has "some health benefits," I'm curious to read them, because I've never heard this from anyone.

[Boblin the Goblin]

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Cigarettes will always affect those around you when you consume them at home. Alcohol does not.

As well as alcohol has been linked to some health benefits when consumed in moderation. Cigarettes have absolutely zero health benefits not matter how little they are consumed.

Care to cite the studies that say alcohol has "some health benefits," I'm curious to read them, because I've never heard this from anyone.

Looking it up again, it's more debated than before.

Here[nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu] is Harvard health discussing the possible benefits based on earlier studies.

Here[www.mayoclinic.org] is MayoClinic stated there was theorized health benefits but state after further analysis, it isn't true.

Each article is about a year apart.

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Ban alcohol first.

causes more deaths, and is more harmful by far on a crime/societal level.

oh wait... cant ban that BRUH.. its MUH party drink fer doze goodz timez.

OMG ban VAPES and CIGS though. ban them !!!!

programmed people usually dont know they are programmed. NPC brain.

Alcohol is extremely easy to make at home. It's a big reason the first attempt at banning failed.

Cigarettes are actually much more harmful since they don't only harm the user, but anyone else in their household as well.

You can consume alcohol without harming anyone around you very easily. You cannot smoke cigarettes without harming anyone around you.

A 22 year that was vaping since he was 16 needed a double lung transplant from vaping.

So that tells me that vaping is a hundred times worse then cigarettes.

[Mason]

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Care to cite the studies that say alcohol has "some health benefits," I'm curious to read them, because I've never heard this from anyone.

Looking it up again, it's more debated than before.

Here[nutritionsource.hsph.harvard.edu] is Harvard health discussing the possible benefits based on earlier studies.

Here[www.mayoclinic.org] is MayoClinic stated there was theorized health benefits but state after further analysis, it isn't true.

Each article is about a year apart.

Well it's seems pretty conclusive based on those two articles that if you don't already drink there's no reason for you to begin drinking. The potential benefits aren't worth the risks associated with it. Yeah alright, if you already drink, in moderation, you might see some benefit. But a lot of people don't drink in moderation, and that's the problem. That's the cause of a lot of deaths. If you read the Harvard article they talk about it, a few quotes from it:

"In 2014, about 61 million Americans were classified as binge alcohol users (5 or more drinks on the same occasion at least once a month) and 16 million as heavy alcohol users (5 or more drinks on the same occasion on 5 or more days in one month)."

"Alcohol plays a role in one in three cases of violent crime."

"In 2015, more than 10,000 people died in automobile accidents in which alcohol was involved."

Alcohol is definitely the worst of the two.

[always superspecial]

I wonder if the government really cares about the drug usage freedom or just the money. Only love and health can truly relieve us from stress and pain.

[Falco]

https://www.rcp.ac.uk/improving-care/resources/nicotine-without-smoke-tobacco-harm-reduction/
personally, i generally speaking think it's fine, and that it stands on a case by case study. if you see some 15 year old doing it, i can see concern, but if it's an adult then i reckon it would be an issue to have an issue with it. the provided study by the rcp shows that long-term exposure to vapes isn't likely to exceed 5% of the damage from cigarettes, and that while are there concerns of youth using it, at the time of publication, most users are smokers trying to quit and reduce their intake.

lastly, if not for the study above, is it really much of an issue in public spots? i can understand private spaces such as apartments and general living residences, but all in all, i'm sure you can deal with a stroll past one smoker every now and then, you aren't gonna die from it, and quite frankly, you sound like a member of the HOA, coming from a non-smoker