4 years ago a man screamed "I CAN'T BREATHE!"

[Republic of Lamers]

4 years ago George Floyd died. Did his death and the BLM movement make any significant changes to the world?

[C4Warr10r]

Elation a écrit :

I've always found it a little bit odd that a lot of people who otherwise would say that they're against authoritarian governments and fascist regimes wholly support police forces. Regardless of your opinion on anything related to George Floyd it would be helpful to remember that the police are enforcers of the government. They are not there to protect you or look after you.

Also, the idea that the police can just stop you for a "regular check up" seems kind of insane. It's very easy for them to create situations where you are in danger and they have a nonsensical excuse for escalating said situations. If you ask me, police should have a warrant if they want to search your vehicle. Declining this when there is no warrant involved should not be considered "not cooperating" or "resistance." Isn't privacy supposed to be a right?

I've always found it a little odd that people who insist on "democracy" insist on more government.

The whole difference is that people who want less government insist on less centralized government. That way, everyone gets to choose, and see the consequences of their failures or successes. The greatest superpower the world has ever known was built on that.

Meanwhile, people in Europe and elsewhere with no slave-trade legacy are somehow being held to account by giant governments that need more power to force integration. Gee, how did that happen?

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C4Warr10r a écrit :

I've always found it a little odd that people who insist on "democracy" insist on more government.

"People who insist on government demand more government," what's the deal with that?

[Elation]

C4Warr10r a écrit :

Elation a écrit :

I've always found it a little bit odd that a lot of people who otherwise would say that they're against authoritarian governments and fascist regimes wholly support police forces. Regardless of your opinion on anything related to George Floyd it would be helpful to remember that the police are enforcers of the government. They are not there to protect you or look after you.

Also, the idea that the police can just stop you for a "regular check up" seems kind of insane. It's very easy for them to create situations where you are in danger and they have a nonsensical excuse for escalating said situations. If you ask me, police should have a warrant if they want to search your vehicle. Declining this when there is no warrant involved should not be considered "not cooperating" or "resistance." Isn't privacy supposed to be a right?

I've always found it a little odd that people who insist on "democracy" insist on more government.

Well, I'm not one of them so I don't know why you're replying to me.

C4Warr10r a écrit :

The whole difference is that people who want less government insist on less centralized government. That way, everyone gets to choose, and see the consequences of their failures or successes. The greatest superpower the world has ever known was built on that.

I would also love to see less centralised governments in general. And it's part of why I'm glad that my country did not join the EU and probably won't for the forseeable future.

This kind of thing is in fact the opposite of self-determination.

C4Warr10r a écrit :

Meanwhile, people in Europe and elsewhere with no slave-trade legacy are somehow being held to account by giant governments that need more power to force integration. Gee, how did that happen?

Uh, Europe has no slave-trade legacy? I have a lot to tell you...

[doug]

RSebire a écrit :

Lots of people that were on the fence, turned racist because of BLM.

The riots lasted for months.

You couldn’t not see the criminality…

No they didn't. You were already racist.

[Electric Cupcake]

Racists still try to claim fentanyl killed him, when the medical examiner testified it did not.

It was murder, plain and simple.

[Netaris]

Yep, it changed something, now we care even less about criminals. Total support to police forces, whatever it take to restore order.

[permanent name]

Kiler_best1235_Denmark a écrit :

permanent name a écrit :

how often do strangers go out of their way to spit on you on a daily basis?

Usually I get hand shakes from strangers, but I guess where you are from you spit on strangers. Different cultures I guess.

No they just heard things about me and decided it was their right to act based on rumors.

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they lit alot of stuff on fire, so i guess that was good for construction companies

[sleeps]

can't breathe? go to earth. duhh.

[Talby]

On July 29, 2021, Peter Cahill, the presiding Minnesota State Court judge trying the four police officers indicted for George Floyd’s death, ordered the release of the prosecutors’ report detailing how Dr. Roger Mitchell, the then-medical examiner and Deputy Mayor for D.C., coerced the Hennepin County medical examiner, Dr. Andrew Baker.

The memo detailed Mitchell’s threat to damage Baker’s professional career with a critical op-ed in the Washington Post if Baker did not amend the language of his preliminary autopsy report by adding compression of the neck as a cause of death, something Baker had not believed was the case. Doing so would make the death a homicide. Baker’s ultimate report, which he’d changed in response to Mitchell’s political pressure, converted a death from natural causes into a justification for indicting four police officers for murder.

Floyd was pronounced dead on the evening of May 25, 2020. One day later, Baker conducted a careful autopsy that found no physical evidence that the officers applied excessive force. Instead, Baker suggested that Floyd’s death was from natural causes, not excess force, strangulation, or asphyxiation. Floyd had “severe” heart disease that put him at risk for a cardiac arrest under stress and exertion, something medical examiners see frequently.

The matter should have been over then. Three days after they received Baker’s initial report, Hennepin County prosecutors issued a complaint against Chauvin reflecting Baker’s findings: “The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation.”

However, Floyd’s natural cause of death had no value for Mitchell, who had a political agenda. To understand this agenda, it’s important to note that the D.C. medical examiner assisted prosecutors in the Aurora, Colorado, case of Elijah McClain and the Tucson, Arizona, case of Carlos Ingram-Lopez. Mitchell was unsuccessful as a prosecution witness against three officers in the 2023 Manuel Ellis trial in Tacoma. In every case, Mitchell was there when the political environment was shaped by a racialist anti-cop mob and media.

Mitchell works under the premise that if a person dies resisting arrest, the police are guilty. In a 2022 Meet The Press interview, Mitchell explained his motives for assisting prosecutions against law enforcement when prisoners or arrestees die. According to him, medical excuses are used to cover up the hundreds of murders that American law enforcement commits against arrestees and prisoners. His mission is to expose those miscarriages of justice.

In medical science, this approach is called outcome bias. The uncertainties surrounding sudden death give him room to maneuver. Many sudden death cases are easily explained by an autopsy (e.g., big strokes, ruptured blood vessels, major clots). When those causes have been eliminated, the likeliest cause of sudden death is cardiac arrest, which doesn’t leave much of an evidence trail. The exception is a type of heart disease that puts people at risk for abnormal rhythms that deteriorate to cardiac arrest and death.

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another covid related death, why wasnt he wearing a mask?

[Duck Twacy]

Black Zombies Matter a écrit :

4 years ago George Floyd died. Did his death and the BLM movement make any significant changes to the world?

Not really. At best it made some people who were unaware of police training a little more alert. In Sweden and some other European nations it takes upwards of two years to become a police officer, whereas in the US it takes eight months. And there's a very stark difference in the level of education and social awareness between the two police forces.

When the US was founded the concept of policing was left to the town watch, comprised of locals. In fact C-O-P stands for "Citizens On Patrol". The idea was that you and your neighbor would take turns patrolling the neighborhood. The problem is that where it sounds very democratic you have people who don't have training in legal matters trying to handle suspects.

And that's kind of where a number of law enforcement agencies fall short. Training has improved with repeated law suits, and not all European law enforcement agencies are ideal (France is known for having a very racist police force), but incidents like George Floyd aren't that uncommon. We just happened to hear about it through chance.

I don't see any change. Superficially there's a lot of attention drawn towards the issue, but police in the US still aren't as well trained as some European nations, or even Japan (which has its own problems).

[permanent name]

Japan's police have a lower overall burden of enforcement owing to their agreements with the yakuza. Generally speaking, they're free to police the community because they are completely ignoring the criminals.

Many studies have been done regarding the rise of police corruption and brutality relative to drug enforcement policies, for example. If drugs aren't criminalized the police become less corrupt and abuse people less.

[Moogal™]

Personally i am pretty well convinced that the lack of a thug after his death contributed to a better society.

[permanent name]

the illegal fentanyl he was selling made it significantly easier for derek chauvin to stop his heart with an illegal chokehold that put pressure on his heart.

thus why he's in jail getting stabbed.