Exclusives are dumb

[Dungeon Crawler]

I get if it's like total war and you can't play it on console, but things like the last of us and Halo don't really have an excuse. I mean it runs on crappy ps4/xbox one hardware so it can definetly work on PC. what do u think?

[endrsgm]

gugnihr původně napsal:

Exclusives encourage people to buy specific consoles and sometimes to buy more consoles than they would otherwise, so exclusives can bring much more money to producers and IN THE PAST this money has been used to create incredibly amazing and wonderful games. I have been a console fan for many years and I know that many wonderful console games wouldn't have been made or wouldn't have been that great if there wasn't the competition that was created by exclusives.
But it is already many years that exclusive games are not that great anymore, they are not interesting as they used to be, they are not awesome as they used to be, they are not fun and entertaining as they used to be, yes I know some people like many of them but imo most of them is just garbage... Even a game that I really liked and enjoyed a lot God of war 2018, a game that is still very good, is not as good as the PS2 game God of war 2 And most of the other exclusives definitely are NOT God of war. And often you don't even know if they truly are exclusives or not lol.
In the past exclusivity created the opportunity to make many awesome games (it is not fair and I don't like exclusivity but this is undenyable), but today it is just not worth it.

the last of us 2.

[gugnihr]

endrsgm původně napsal:

gugnihr původně napsal:

Exclusives encourage people to buy specific consoles and sometimes to buy more consoles than they would otherwise, so exclusives can bring much more money to producers and IN THE PAST this money has been used to create incredibly amazing and wonderful games. I have been a console fan for many years and I know that many wonderful console games wouldn't have been made or wouldn't have been that great if there wasn't the competition that was created by exclusives.
But it is already many years that exclusive games are not that great anymore, they are not interesting as they used to be, they are not awesome as they used to be, they are not fun and entertaining as they used to be, yes I know some people like many of them but imo most of them is just garbage... Even a game that I really liked and enjoyed a lot God of war 2018, a game that is still very good, is not as good as the PS2 game God of war 2 And most of the other exclusives definitely are NOT God of war. And often you don't even know if they truly are exclusives or not lol.
In the past exclusivity created the opportunity to make many awesome games (it is not fair and I don't like exclusivity but this is undenyable), but today it is just not worth it.

the last of us 2.

Thank you for this one single name (that I don't like and could not care less about btw), I mentioned one single game too and I still say that it is not worth it.
I remember when I used to talk about older consoles like PS2, Gamecube, Wii and other older ones in other forums everybody had a list of at least 30 different games to support their favourite consoles... at least 30 games, on a console that is more practical than the big, heavy and unbearably sluggish PS4 (keep in mind that I had the PS4 Pro and used it only in performance mode!!!), can definitely be worth it

[HALO_run]

BlowOffDuster původně napsal:

Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍 původně napsal:

well so what you're saying is when a company with its own proprietary platform has an exclusive game released by its studio it's stupid?

Have you had any kind of business experience at all? they want to use their exclusive content to sell their platforms so they develop said things or get into contracts to allow development for said things.

and I don't know if you know this but you can totally buy Halo on PC. That's actually how i first played Halo and Halo 2. And they're releasing the rest of the games pretty consistently. I mean I can play gears of war on PC if I want to and that's what is Microsoft's other flagship titles. And sony is looking to do something very similar.

I mean do you actually know what you're talkin about? Read the trades? Keep up-to-date on information. Maybe do a basic Google search.

I invalidate your claims with a shovel full of facts.

Now let's see your counter points

I think the people will decide, not your greedy corpratist masters

so what you'd like is it all for free, and for them to do what ever you like, sad thing kids are today.

[Crazy Tiger]

gugnihr původně napsal:

Exclusives encourage people to buy specific consoles and sometimes to buy more consoles than they would otherwise, so exclusives can bring much more money to producers and IN THE PAST this money has been used to create incredibly amazing and wonderful games. I have been a console fan for many years and I know that many wonderful console games wouldn't have been made or wouldn't have been that great if there wasn't the competition that was created by exclusives.
But it is already many years that exclusive games are not that great anymore, they are not interesting as they used to be, they are not awesome as they used to be, they are not fun and entertaining as they used to be, yes I know some people like many of them but imo most of them is just garbage... Even a game that I really liked and enjoyed a lot God of war 2018, a game that is still very good, is not as good as the PS2 game God of war 2 And most of the other exclusives definitely are NOT God of war. And often you don't even know if they truly are exclusives or not lol.
In the past exclusivity created the opportunity to make many awesome games (it is not fair and I don't like exclusivity but this is undenyable), but today it is just not worth it.

I disagree. I had mighty good fun with for example Spider-Man, Persona 5, Horizon Zero Dawn. Especially the latter two, two of the best games I've played.

It's good that Horizon finally comes to PC, mighty good game.

[Von Karma]

Batty, you're back!

[endrsgm]

gugnihr původně napsal:

Thank you for this one single name (that I don't like and could not care less about btw), I mentioned one single game too and I still say that it is not worth it.
I remember when I used to talk about older consoles like PS2, Gamecube, Wii and other older ones in other forums everybody had a list of at least 30 different games to support their favourite consoles... at least 30 games, on a console that is more practical than the big, heavy and unbearably sluggish PS4 (keep in mind that I had the PS4 Pro and used it only in performance mode!!!), can definitely be worth it

so now in this discussion we have to not only name games that were critically acclaimed and had blockbuster sales but ones that personally interest you as well?

[endrsgm]

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

I disagree. I had mighty good fun with for example Spider-Man, Persona 5, Horizon Zero Dawn. Especially the latter two, two of the best games I've played.

It's good that Horizon finally comes to PC, mighty good game.

spiderman was a really good game.

[gugnihr]

endrsgm původně napsal:

gugnihr původně napsal:

Thank you for this one single name (that I don't like and could not care less about btw), I mentioned one single game too and I still say that it is not worth it.
I remember when I used to talk about older consoles like PS2, Gamecube, Wii and other older ones in other forums everybody had a list of at least 30 different games to support their favourite consoles... at least 30 games, on a console that is more practical than the big, heavy and unbearably sluggish PS4 (keep in mind that I had the PS4 Pro and used it only in performance mode!!!), can definitely be worth it

so now in this discussion we have to not only name games that were critically acclaimed and had blockbuster sales but ones that personally interest you as well?

The main problem is that one game is not enough. I mentioned only one game and you mentioned only one game as well.

Other than that of course I only care about the games that I really actually like.
The Neo Geo was a console that most people would have desperately wanted like a dream out of their reach, but for me it has never been very interesting, many people could name probably more than 30 games they love on the Nintendo 64 and on the Dreamcast but for me personally Nintendo 64 and Dreamcast are garbage.

But talking about the PS4 none of us mentioned 30 games. Not me and not you either.
Now I don't really need the list if you say that there is a considerable amount of exclusives on PS4 that you like enough to keep it fine, for sure your taste is very different than mine then.

[talemore]

𝕰𝖒𝖒𝖆 původně napsal:

Batty, you're back!

Nobody is ever gone

[Χάρης]

BlowOffDuster původně napsal:

I get if it's like total war and you can't play it on console, but things like the last of us and Halo don't really have an excuse. I mean it runs on crappy ps4/xbox one hardware so it can definetly work on PC. what do u think?

This opens up a whole new topic which is why consoles exist. I agree, console exclusives are dumb. Because basically they develop the game using the computer, but make the computer unable to run it. Why? Simple answer - money. There are a lot of people who will buy a console just for 1 or 2 games. If you compare the amount of money spent of the game with the amount of money spent on the console and the subscription, it ends up to being equal of having a PC capable of running a lotta games on even higher settings than the console. Meanwhile PC games cost waaaayyyy less and you don't need online subscription.

[phosh]

If there's a game people really wanna play, and it's only for a specific console, the people who want to play those games are more likely to buy that console.
That's what I keep telling myself, anyways.

[Crazy Tiger]

Χάρης původně napsal:

This opens up a whole new topic which is why consoles exist.

Because people like convenience. No meddling with hardware, no comparing the specs of the game to see if it runs, no hassle. You put in the disc (or download the game nowadays) and you can play. It works out of the box.

For many people that's a big plus and a reason why they only play on consoles. And game developers/publishers know this, hence why many of them had a bigger focus on consoles than on PC.

Χάρης původně napsal:

you don't need online subscription.

That is only needed if one plays multiplayer.

[Χάρης]

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

Χάρης původně napsal:

This opens up a whole new topic which is why consoles exist.

Because people like convenience. No meddling with hardware, no comparing the specs of the game to see if it runs, no hassle. You put in the disc (or download the game nowadays) and you can play. It works out of the box.

For many people that's a big plus and a reason why they only play on consoles. And game developers/publishers know this, hence why many of them had a bigger focus on consoles than on PC.

I've been gaming since msdos and I can tell you for a fact that getting started with pc gaming is way easier nowadays. The hardware part can take some time, but it will save you money at the end. And you are able to play online for as long as there are players, which is cool too. There are also a lotta forums to discuss and get feedback and tips.

Χάρης původně napsal:

you don't need online subscription.

That is only needed if one plays multiplayer.

Thank you captain obvious.

[Crazy Tiger]

Χάρης původně napsal:

Crazy Tiger původně napsal:

Because people like convenience. No meddling with hardware, no comparing the specs of the game to see if it runs, no hassle. You put in the disc (or download the game nowadays) and you can play. It works out of the box.

For many people that's a big plus and a reason why they only play on consoles. And game developers/publishers know this, hence why many of them had a bigger focus on consoles than on PC.

I've been gaming since msdos and I can tell you for a fact that getting started with pc gaming is way easier nowadays. The hardware part can take some time, but it will save you money at the end. And you are able to play online for as long as there are players, which is cool too. There are also a lotta forums to discuss and get feedback and tips.

Except that it doesn't matter how much info is available. Convenience stems from not being interested in something and not wanting to put the effort into learning about it.

People like us are interested in such things, so we look things up and talk about it. Others, well, they simply want to buy a machine, connect it to their tv, shove a disc in and be ready with it, real plug-and-play.

Keep in mind that pros and cons of systems end up being subjective. It all depends on the perspective of someone whether they're actually relevant.

[endrsgm]

Χάρης původně napsal:

This opens up a whole new topic which is why consoles exist.

originally because most people didnt own a computer and because most computers that were owned were not all that great AND because something to play games didnt need all the assorted stuff that a computer can do that isnt gaming related.

as time goes on we see more of a blending.

we dont have monitors and tv sets that dont cross over as much anymore as we have something that can function as both.

we are reaching a point soon where we wont have consoles and wont have pc anymore. we will have something that is in between. microsoft has already decided that is the way it is going. the xbox continues moving in that direction. there is a reason they are game sharing. there is a reason the consoles have browsers now. we can plug controllers into the pc and we can plug keyboards into the console.
right now we have pc that can also play game and we have consoles that can also double as a pc. it wont be long til they are the same thing and the line between a monitor and a tv is gone.