Exclusives are dumb

[Dungeon Crawler]

I get if it's like total war and you can't play it on console, but things like the last of us and Halo don't really have an excuse. I mean it runs on crappy ps4/xbox one hardware so it can definetly work on PC. what do u think?

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

well so what you're saying is when a company with its own proprietary platform has an exclusive game released by its studio it's stupid?

Have you had any kind of business experience at all? they want to use their exclusive content to sell their platforms so they develop said things or get into contracts to allow development for said things.

and I don't know if you know this but you can totally buy Halo on PC. That's actually how i first played Halo and Halo 2. And they're releasing the rest of the games pretty consistently. I mean I can play gears of war on PC if I want to and that's what is Microsoft's other flagship titles. And sony is looking to do something very similar.

I mean do you actually know what you're talkin about? Read the trades? Keep up-to-date on information. Maybe do a basic Google search.

I invalidate your claims with a shovel full of facts.

Now let's see your counter points

[Dennis]

Originally posted by Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

well so what you're saying is when a company with its own proprietary platform has an exclusive game released by its studio it's stupid?

Have you had any kind of business experience at all? they want to use their exclusive content to sell their platforms so they develop said things or get into contracts to allow development for said things.

and I don't know if you know this but you can totally buy Halo on PC. That's actually how i first played Halo and Halo 2. And they're releasing the rest of the games pretty consistently. I mean I can play gears of war on PC if I want to and that's what is Microsoft's other flagship titles. And sony is looking to do something very similar.

I mean do you actually know what you're talkin about? Read the trades? Keep up-to-date on information. Maybe do a basic Google search.

I invalidate your claims with a shovel full of facts.

Now let's see your counter points

it aint that deep bro

[Dungeon Crawler]

Originally posted by Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

well so what you're saying is when a company with its own proprietary platform has an exclusive game released by its studio it's stupid?

Have you had any kind of business experience at all? they want to use their exclusive content to sell their platforms so they develop said things or get into contracts to allow development for said things.

and I don't know if you know this but you can totally buy Halo on PC. That's actually how i first played Halo and Halo 2. And they're releasing the rest of the games pretty consistently. I mean I can play gears of war on PC if I want to and that's what is Microsoft's other flagship titles. And sony is looking to do something very similar.

I mean do you actually know what you're talkin about? Read the trades? Keep up-to-date on information. Maybe do a basic Google search.

I invalidate your claims with a shovel full of facts.

Now let's see your counter points

I think the people will decide, not your greedy corpratist masters

[36564176]

the less exclusives there are, the better it is for gamers

[Krona🥶]

Originally posted by BlowOffDuster:

Originally posted by Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

well so what you're saying is when a company with its own proprietary platform has an exclusive game released by its studio it's stupid?

Have you had any kind of business experience at all? they want to use their exclusive content to sell their platforms so they develop said things or get into contracts to allow development for said things.

and I don't know if you know this but you can totally buy Halo on PC. That's actually how i first played Halo and Halo 2. And they're releasing the rest of the games pretty consistently. I mean I can play gears of war on PC if I want to and that's what is Microsoft's other flagship titles. And sony is looking to do something very similar.

I mean do you actually know what you're talkin about? Read the trades? Keep up-to-date on information. Maybe do a basic Google search.

I invalidate your claims with a shovel full of facts.

Now let's see your counter points

I think the people will decide, not your greedy corpratist masters

You have to look at it from a marketing perspective, sony and Microsoft fund talented people from time to time to make their exclusives.

Without that the games wouldn't even exist. It's just how things are

[Plaid]

Originally posted by michael:

the less exclusives there are, the better it is for gamers

On the other hand, without Microsofts funding or Sony's funding, some of these games wouldn't turn out as well as they do, or at all. And Microsoft or Sony only has interest in funding these projects to sell hardware and get people hooked into their ecosystem, so the games are tailored for those platforms specifically (at least temporarily).

[36564176]

Originally posted by Plaid:

Originally posted by michael:

the less exclusives there are, the better it is for gamers

On the other hand, without Microsofts funding or Sony's funding, some of these games wouldn't turn out as well as they do, or at all. And Microsoft or Sony only has interest in funding these projects to sell hardware and get people hooked into their ecosystem, so the games are tailored for those platforms specifically (at least temporarily).

the games could receive funding without being made exclusive, but in this world of corporate greed that wont happen

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

I have greedy corporate Masters?

How odd. I thought I worked for people that wanted to make money so they could pay their employees so they can continue to make money.

And I don't have a single issue with buying a game on any platform. If I want something specific I have never in the past had an issue with getting the hardware I need to play it.

But I am a realist. I know companies want to produce a product and want to make money off it. I'm not what you might call, oh what is the word... Oh that's right an idiot.

You think any one of the companies that produced the games that are near games list didn't make those games to make a profit? We are consumers and they are selling us a product.

when a company creates a proprietary product, they want to sell said product. They're not doing it because they want to make everyone happy. They're doing it because they are a business

Profit is not a dirty word. It's the reason the companies that keep releasing games get to continue to release games.

A lot of people in those companies are incredibly passionate about creating, and you can see it when they are. but that person that made the most amazing game you've ever played didn't do so simply because he wanted to make an amazing game. He wanted to feed his family and keep a roof over his head.

Now try again and explain your point without trying to be all meme lord ignorant

[Dungeon Crawler]

Originally posted by Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍:

I have greedy corporate Masters?

How odd. I thought I worked for people that wanted to make money so they could pay their employees so they can continue to make money.

And I don't have a single issue with buying a game on any platform. If I want something specific I have never in the past had an issue with getting the hardware I need to play it.

But I am a realist. I know companies want to produce a product and want to make money off it. I'm not what you might call, oh what is the word... Oh that's right an idiot.

You think any one of the companies that produced the games that are near games list didn't make those games to make a profit? We are consumers and they are selling us a product.

when a company creates a proprietary product, they want to sell said product. They're not doing it because they want to make everyone happy. They're doing it because they are a business

Profit is not a dirty word. It's the reason the companies that keep releasing games get to continue to release games.

A lot of people in those companies are incredibly passionate about creating, and you can see it when they are. but that person that made the most amazing game you've ever played didn't do so simply because he wanted to make an amazing game. He wanted to feed his family and keep a roof over his head.

Now try again and explain your point without trying to be all meme lord ignorant

It's clear to me that you just don't care about the gamers, that's all. Trying to explain greed, lol. Yeah of course it has a purpose but come on man, that's like making sony movies only work on sony DVD players, no one who watches movies would put up with that. But gamers are good at being conned, happens every year.

[Plaid]

Originally posted by michael:

Originally posted by Plaid:

On the other hand, without Microsofts funding or Sony's funding, some of these games wouldn't turn out as well as they do, or at all. And Microsoft or Sony only has interest in funding these projects to sell hardware and get people hooked into their ecosystem, so the games are tailored for those platforms specifically (at least temporarily).

the games could receive funding without being made exclusive, but in this world of corporate greed that wont happen

I'm skeptical that funding would be able to reach the same levels though.
Now there's the counterargument about the greed actually affecting the outcome of the game, i.e. lootboxes and such.
I'm thinking more along the lines of that Spiderman game on PS4, which everyone praised.
(might not be the best example as I dont' know how all funding worked on that particular title)

[Schindler's Lifts]

" Exclusives are dumb"

*laughs in Epic Games Store*

[Dungeon Crawler]

Originally posted by Plaid:

Originally posted by michael:

the games could receive funding without being made exclusive, but in this world of corporate greed that wont happen

I'm skeptical that funding would be able to reach the same levels though.
Now there's the counterargument about the greed actually affecting the outcome of the game, i.e. lootboxes and such. I hear Microsoft does that alot with their IP's, but those aren't even exlusive anymore. I'm thinking more along the lines of that Spiderman game on PS4, which everyone praised.

Yeah microsoft is making all of their first pary games avaliable for gamespass, even the next Halo. I almost think they planning on making money through subscriptions and microtransactions. TBH gamespass is really fun though. My bad for pointing out Halo, i forgot about that. But it is exclusive to Windows operating systems and Xbox, so they are kinda doing Microsoft exclusives.

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Don't care about gamers.

I can damn well guarantee I've been a gamer longer than you've been alive. Don't you even dare tell me I don't care about gamers.

but I'm also not delusional and self-entitled. Different companies offer different products. And often usable in only the specific.

You're not talking about the well-being of gamers. you're just mad that you can't play games you want to play because you can't afford to buy the property to play them on.

this is the point where you tell me of course you can afford it but you don't want to because you're such a smart consumer. Which you will use unironically time to defend the absolute removal of company competition and consumer choice.

You're not talkin about the removal of exclusives. You're talking about stagnation of the entire genre. Without competition, gaming companies will have no reason to throw resources at a project because it's all going to sell the same. They won't get the proper backing, they won't have the same skill sets of people.

Without conflict and competition, companies wouldn't have a reason to put forth what they do now.

[Masque]

The day Nintendo releases their games for PC, they will double their software profits.

And their hardware profits won't decline one bit.

Therefore, my bet is they eventually will. What kind of corporation doesn't want more money?

[Ⓥenom Ⓢnake 🐍]

Originally posted by Boofalo Soja:

The day Nintendo releases their games for PC, they will double their software profits.

And their hardware profits won't decline one bit.

Therefore, my bet is they eventually will. What kind of corporation doesn't want more money?

I don't doubt they will in time. but I mean every platform name release they managed to sell a ton of people games that came out in 1986.

They might actually not have a need to start broadening their market because people seem to treat Nintendo like it is a religion. Nintendo has maximized an incredibly stupid demographic. They target people that buying into the limited quantity must make a good market. They release
exclusive amiibos, whenever they lost your console it's always in short supply, and people get to howling at the doors to get a unit or a copy.

you can't tell me that a company that has sold as many units as it has already can't properly predict how many units they need to sell everyone one.

Their tactic is devious, mostly because it works so incredibly well.