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Ulfrinn 5. mar. 2024 kl. 20:41 
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I told y'all it was going to end Yuzu on the other thread. And even Yuzu devs are admitting their product is mostly used by people to pirate, whether or not it's what they intended, it's what it is.

Nintendo does not deserve anything other than piracy after Scumtaro Furukawa took the lead of that company, Nintendo today is only trash, exploitation of some of their good retrogames from the past and scams.

Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.
Candyy 5. mar. 2024 kl. 20:52 
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Nintendo does not deserve anything other than piracy after Scumtaro Furukawa took the lead of that company, Nintendo today is only trash, exploitation of some of their good retrogames from the past and scams.

Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.

Sometimes ppl do not realize owning a business is harder than what it looks (even if the business is succesful v:)
GlaceonChireiden 5. mar. 2024 kl. 22:53 
Yuzu being killed is not that big of a loss. The switch is still a current console, and really isn't that expensive compared to its competition. If you don't have the money to drop on a $300 console, then you most likely don't have the same cash to put into a PC with enough power to emulate said system.
Sure, the switch isn't that powerful. But a lot more PC power is required to brute force past the fact you are running games on hardware they aren't made for, and faking your way through a completely different piece hardware. And this is assuming games run like they should to begin with, which like anything related to PC gaming is not a guarantee.
...plus maybe running a patreon for your emulator that brings in $30k a month as well as stealing code while you do so is just taping a target to your back with a giant neon sign indicating you've done so. A part of me wants to chalk this up to natural selection.

The real loss here is Citra being taken down with it. Due to the eshop being down and the price of physical 3ds games and the system itself only going up, this really sucks as far as preservation goes. I'm not sure if an alternate 3DS emulator exists or not, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the death of Citra also kills easy access to hardware and games that aren't being produced anymore.
Sidst redigeret af GlaceonChireiden; 5. mar. 2024 kl. 22:53
Haruspex 5. mar. 2024 kl. 23:04 
Yuzu isn't dead. It's only been driven underground. It's FOSS nature means it's source code is already in the hands of lots of people. Development will continue, but in a decentralized manner so there's not one entity that can be targeted. Expect to see one or more forks. Something like a "Re-Yuzu".

Also this isn't a legal ruling, and no precedent has been set against emulation. This was a settlement, which is not an admission of guilt. There's already precedent in favor of emulation in fact with Sony vs Connectix in 2000.

Yuzu is dead. Long live Yuzu!
D. Flame 5. mar. 2024 kl. 23:23 
Shame that Nintendo doesn't take the opportunity to start selling their games on Steam. I would buy every 3d Zelda game day 1, well, except for Majora's Mask. MM sucked, but I would buy all the others.
gugnihr 6. mar. 2024 kl. 2:19 
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Nintendo does not deserve anything other than piracy after Scumtaro Furukawa took the lead of that company, Nintendo today is only trash, exploitation of some of their good retrogames from the past and scams.

Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.

No my problem is that they are only exploiting the good things they have done in the past at this point and expecially the fact that they only want to scam customers at this point, if I was against people protecting their property I would have not mentioned Scumtaro Furukawa I would be against consoles as a whole and against Steam too, I would only be a fan of the originl version of GOG and nothing else, I have always preferred Steam and some consoles rather than GOG because I'm not interested in most of the games available on GOG which means that I have no problem with people protecting their property if they do so in fair ways.
gugnihr 6. mar. 2024 kl. 2:30 
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Nintendo does not deserve anything other than piracy after Scumtaro Furukawa took the lead of that company, Nintendo today is only trash, exploitation of some of their good retrogames from the past and scams.

You should say that to Ubisoft, EA games, SEGA and Konami too.

Sega and Konami never pissed me as much as Scumtaro Furukawa has done with its online subscription scam. Maybe it's also because Sega did not have the chance, but the thing that matters the most to me is that they never pissed me that much.
Yes Sega has done some bad things but I also remember the great things that they have done (not to mention that they have been victims of scams by EA too for example) there are bad things, there are good things, I focus on the good ones and I know that for sure they are not as awful as Nintendo and ePig are. As IU said maybe at this point they would be that bad too if they had the chance but if we waste energy and time thinking about those hypotetical possibilities we just ruin our life so it's pointless. I don't care.

Also I do not care about how bad EA and Ubisoft are because thankfully I do not like their games so they are ♥♥♥♥? Probably yes of course, I don't know enough because I don't have enopugh experience with them because thankfully as I said I do not like their games.

As a side note, I do not like ePig games either, but they are so terribly bad that they managed to piss me as much as Nintendo (one of the companies that I loved the most before Shuntaro Furukawa). Imagine how bad ePig is.

I'm just thankful that Bethesda has died (been bought by Microsoft) before I had any reason to really hate them.
At least there is one company that I can keep good memories of. No matter what they will do now I will hate Microsoft for any awful thing they mivght do from now on.
I hope that Steam will never disappoint me either but I am aware that sooner or late in the future this will probably happen, companies usually change at some point and it is always for the worst but for now I am very grateful to Valve too... but for only thing that I am sure of is that thankfully at least I will always have a good memory of Bethesda at least.
Ulfrinn 6. mar. 2024 kl. 2:49 
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Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.

No my problem is that they are only exploiting the good things they have done in the past at this point and expecially the fact that they only want to scam customers at this point, if I was against people protecting their property I would have not mentioned Scumtaro Furukawa I would be against consoles as a whole and against Steam too, I would only be a fan of the originl version of GOG and nothing else, I have always preferred Steam and some consoles rather than GOG because I'm not interested in most of the games available on GOG which means that I have no problem with people protecting their property if they do so in fair ways.

How are they scamming their customers?
Haruspex 6. mar. 2024 kl. 3:08 
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How are they scamming their customers?

"Scamming" is probably a strong word.

My biggest problem with them goes like this:

I've been a lifelong Nintendo fan. My first game console was the NES, and I've been right there for every Nintendo system since. I was team SNES in the 16 bit console wars. I got an N64 when my friends were getting Playstations, and I got into many an argument over which was better. I got a Gamecube and loved it. I was there for midnight releases for the Wii, Wii-U, and Switch, and I fell in love with the handhelds too.

I got to thinking at some point, how many times in the past 30+ years have I purchased the original Legend of Zelda? I still have my gold NES cartridge. I bought the NES Classics copy for GBA. I got the NES classic edition. I got virtual console copies for Wii and 3ds. That's 5 different purchases of the same game for 5 different Nintendo consoles.

Today, if I want to legitimately play Zelda for my Switch, Nintendo wants me to pay a recurring subscription just to rent access to it.

They've shut down the stores for the Wii, 3ds, Wii U and DSi, and they'll shut down the store for Switch in the future when they've decided they're done with it too. They'll release a new system, and re-sell you the same games you've already purchased sometimes multiple times before.

Then there's my PC. I started my Steam account in 2004 when Half Life 2 came out. Gamecube was the console at the time. Today, 20 years later, I can still download and play Half Life 2 on modern hardware. I don't have to re-buy it every time I get a new computer, and my Steam Deck can run it better than my 2004 gaming desktop could ever hope to.

In those same 20 years, how many digital distribution platforms has Nintendo launched and subsequently killed? 4? The Switch makes 5 and they'll kill that one too, and they'll sell you a "remastered" bundle of BOTW and TOTK that runs at 4k 60fps for full price for some future system that also won't run your previous games.

20 years of Steam and I can play every game I've ever bought no matter how many times I upgrade. Or even further back, I can dig up some old floppy disk PC game from my attic, load up it's files and still play it on a modern PC.

I'm done with the console cycle of starting over with every generation.
Ulfrinn 6. mar. 2024 kl. 3:36 
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How are they scamming their customers?

"Scamming" is probably a strong word.

My biggest problem with them goes like this:

I've been a lifelong Nintendo fan. My first game console was the NES, and I've been right there for every Nintendo system since. I was team SNES in the 16 bit console wars. I got an N64 when my friends were getting Playstations, and I got into many an argument over which was better. I got a Gamecube and loved it. I was there for midnight releases for the Wii, Wii-U, and Switch, and I fell in love with the handhelds too.

I got to thinking at some point, how many times in the past 30+ years have I purchased the original Legend of Zelda? I still have my gold NES cartridge. I bought the NES Classics copy for GBA. I got the NES classic edition. I got virtual console copies for Wii and 3ds. That's 5 different purchases of the same game for 5 different Nintendo consoles.

Today, if I want to legitimately play Zelda for my Switch, Nintendo wants me to pay a recurring subscription just to rent access to it.

They've shut down the stores for the Wii, 3ds, Wii U and DSi, and they'll shut down the store for Switch in the future when they've decided they're done with it too. They'll release a new system, and re-sell you the same games you've already purchased sometimes multiple times before.

Then there's my PC. I started my Steam account in 2004 when Half Life 2 came out. Gamecube was the console at the time. Today, 20 years later, I can still download and play Half Life 2 on modern hardware. I don't have to re-buy it every time I get a new computer, and my Steam Deck can run it better than my 2004 gaming desktop could ever hope to.

In those same 20 years, how many digital distribution platforms has Nintendo launched and subsequently killed? 4? The Switch makes 5 and they'll kill that one too, and they'll sell you a "remastered" bundle of BOTW and TOTK that runs at 4k 60fps for full price for some future system that also won't run your previous games.

20 years of Steam and I can play every game I've ever bought no matter how many times I upgrade. Or even further back, I can dig up some old floppy disk PC game from my attic, load up it's files and still play it on a modern PC.

I'm done with the console cycle of starting over with every generation.

Well, if you keep buying the same game 5 times in a row Nintendo is going to find ways to sell it to you 5 times. Hold them accountable by refusing to do so, and don't play the games they do that with. I hate what they did with Zelda, and will not buy or play TOTK. I don't have any interest in emulating or pirating it either because i really want nothing to do with the series anymore.

As for older games, and licensing, I've seen almost no effort to have laws changed on that matter, because I don't think laws for copyrights that extend for 70+ years is a good fit for digital content which evolves so much more quickly. That needs to be revised so stuff that's not currently available on any store front should have a much shorter time limit before it's fair game, and licenses for a game should carry over. But it's gamers that aren't doing their part to keep companies honest. It's really a failure of the community at this point.
Boblin the Goblin 6. mar. 2024 kl. 3:54 
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We went from emulation for preserving legacy games to paid patreon for an unreleased game. Truly one of gamer moments of all time
They didn't give out the game behind the patreon wall.
Boblin the Goblin 6. mar. 2024 kl. 3:57 
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Nintendo does not deserve anything other than piracy after Scumtaro Furukawa took the lead of that company, Nintendo today is only trash, exploitation of some of their good retrogames from the past and scams.

Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.
Weird how you don't need Yuzu to pirate Switch games then huh?

It's not like a hacked Switch can do the exact same thing Yuzu could.
Ulfrinn 6. mar. 2024 kl. 4:18 
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Why? Because they protected their property? Guaranteed of you owned a company whose entire revenue was dependent on selling software, you'd stop people pirating it if you could too. Otherwise you'd be kicked out of that position, possibly sued by share holders and investors, and someone would replace you who will. You can piss and moan all you want because you don't like it, but you wouldn't stay in business long if you were in their position.
Weird how you don't need Yuzu to pirate Switch games then huh?

It's not like a hacked Switch can do the exact same thing Yuzu could.

Unless you have a very early model Switch, or some very high level soldering skills, you don't have one either. I own a Switch, and I can buy the games I want on it. I see no need to have a hacked one.
Boblin the Goblin 6. mar. 2024 kl. 4:22 
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Weird how you don't need Yuzu to pirate Switch games then huh?

It's not like a hacked Switch can do the exact same thing Yuzu could.

Unless you have a very early model Switch, or some very high level soldering skills, you don't have one either. I own a Switch, and I can buy the games I want on it. I see no need to have a hacked one.
You don't need high level soldering skills. A flash cart is all that's needed.
Ulfrinn 6. mar. 2024 kl. 4:53 
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Unless you have a very early model Switch, or some very high level soldering skills, you don't have one either. I own a Switch, and I can buy the games I want on it. I see no need to have a hacked one.
You don't need high level soldering skills. A flash cart is all that's needed.

Again, I'm not interested in pirating Switch games.
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